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Agent MattPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 13:58
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Gimmie your best shot!

Is Technocracy Star Trek Objectivism?

Discuss, live long and also prosper.

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Elm Nehmara Grand RapidsPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 16:57
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while I think that technology is great I do think that it is moving too fast for us. For example, and I am not a conspiracy theorist by all means, those body scanners at the airport. They came out too fast without anyone discussing the consequences of how the public would feel about the idea of strangers seeing their naked body. I think that the developers, the government and anyone else involved should have done more to research ways to have the technology but make it less intrusive such as software that renders an ambigious image, having someone (perhaps behind a small cubicle) at the scanner itself viewing the image so that the public can actually see the person and their image if they so wished. But this technology was haphazardly put into place and I can see where people are upset about their privacy being intruded on.
Other than that there is wonderful technology out there and many more will be made. I am not afraid of technology itself, just how it can be abused.

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sorryPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 17:15
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Forget seeing me naked (I have a great body, anyhow); the radiation is what pisses me off.

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 17:19
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This is supposed to be people telling me why technocracy is good and then me being a cynic and giving reasons why its not.

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sorryPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 17:21
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technocracy will put the smart people in charge of the others

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KeppPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 17:25
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"technocracy will put the smart people in charge of the others"

That is what is very appealing to me about a technocracy.

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 17:29
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Smart people or ethical people?

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sorryPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 17:35
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smart

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 17:37
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Companies aren't subject to the same privacy laws as the State, and last time I checked, most airports aren't owned by the government. A company shouldn't have to ask people for permission to do what it thinks works best for its security, if so I imagine a lot of companies that use biometrics wouldn't have them.

Technology isn't moving too fast for us, if it were, tomorrow I'd have a flying car, and the next day I'd have time travel, and then the next day I'd be able to teleport to any whore-house in Nevada instantly.

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sorryPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 17:40
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you don't do that?

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 20:17
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Why is it a good idea to put intelligence over ethics? What defines "smart"?

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sorryPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 20:28
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Intelligence is needed to understand ethics. Dumb, nice people aren't very good leaders.

Intelligent, unethical people created the United States. What they created was better than anything anyone else could've dreamt up at the time.

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 21:21
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But intelligent people are still capable of being irrational.

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sorryPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 21:26
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Yeah, but that doesn't mean ethics should be put before intelligence.

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 21:37
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So what happens when the intelligent leaders in a technocracy are irrational?

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sorryPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 21:39
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I don't know. Hopefully, there are enough smart enough people and checks and balances to counter them.

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 22:51
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So far technocracy sounds kinda crappy.

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SkyPosted: Oct 30, 2010 - 23:52
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Yeah, but that doesn't mean ethics should be put before intelligence.

Why not? This comment makes me think of a bunch of Stephen Hawking type guys in the White House like that's going to solve all the problems... I don't want the most intelligent people to be the leaders, I want the most capable people to be the leaders.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Oct 31, 2010 - 01:25
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Without technocracy, I'll never get laid </zeitgeist>

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CyborgJesusPosted: Oct 31, 2010 - 02:32
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I think the issue is a mix between whether capability is correlated with popularity, and whether capability will result in a pursuit of public goals vs. personal ones.

You could probably expand the question to include media, and ask how public opinion can be reshaped to make certain leaders appear more capable, when they are actually inept or unwilling to deal with the problems at hand.

I haven't heard a good definition of technocracy yet, so I'll reserve judgment for later.

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domokatoPosted: Nov 01, 2010 - 16:12
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why do you say our founding fathers were unethical, CS?

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Nov 01, 2010 - 18:57
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I'm not sure of CS's reasons, but I'd say it's because they were racist, sexist, rich slave owners.

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domokatoPosted: Nov 01, 2010 - 19:05
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oh, but like, back then it wasn't really unethical.

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sorryPosted: Nov 01, 2010 - 19:32
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The point is that people who were inhumane were also smart enough to devise a pretty solid consitution.

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 01, 2010 - 20:04
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But it took more ethical people to interpret it in a way that actually delivered what the founder's Constitution promised.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Nov 01, 2010 - 20:48
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Plus also there's the promise George Washington made to drive the natives off of the continent.

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 01, 2010 - 22:25
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You America hater.

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