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I was basically reiterating the articles suggestions that Jews, and by some accounts, the 'Zionists' set off the official persecution of Jews in Germany to get Jews to go to Palestine,

The article sets up the stage to argue that 'the Jews' financed Hitler. I keep hearing about how the Rothschilds, 'the internationalist bankers' etc, supposedly financed the Nazi regime.

I'm getting tired of bring up this nonsense, but I want to have the best responses against it. I really do hear it all the time by several of my Jewish Iranian friends around here in Los Angeles, and all over from their friends on Facebook.

I don't have the links about the financing stuff. I mostly just hear it from them. You've probably heard this one before and I thought maybe you know the 'best' CT links and, more importantly, the best debunking links for these angles.

Great! Thanks for the info on the financing part.

Interesting that Edwin Black, in the Transfer Agreement, supposedly assesses that the Zionist's had an stake in the economic recovery of Germany. Apparently, by the articles lack of mention, he did not write that the Zionists actually acted on this common stake by helping Germany with its finances. Hopefully this is because, as you said, this appears to have not happened.

"It was one thing for the Zionists to subvert the anti-Nazi boycott. Zionism needed to transfer out the capital of German Jews, and merchandise was the only available medium. But soon Zionist leaders understood that the success of the future Jewish Palestinian economy would be inextricably bound up with the survival of the Nazi economy. So the Zionist leadership was compelled to go further. The German economy would have to be safeguarded, stabilized, and if necessary reinforced. Hence, the Nazi party and the Zionist organizers shared a common stake in the recovery of Germany."

There was a long-held assumption, even by credible historians, that the NSDAP relied on big business for its funding. Or at least that big business made up a large percentage of such funds. This myth was exploded by Henry Ashby Turner in his work 'German big business and the Third Reich'. Basically Turner shows that the Party was funded mainly at a 'grass roots' level, and any contributions from large businesses were no more, and usually less, than those same businesses gave to other parties.

There was an interesting overlap of interests between the 3rd Reich and the Zionist movement. The Nazis wanted to expel as many Jews as possible from Germany, the Zionists wanted to encourage immigration to of Jews to Palestine. Adolf Eichmann visited Palestine in 1937 to discuss how these mutual aims could be achieved with a Haganah representative. In the end these talks came to nothing as Britain was opposed to increased Jewish migration to Palestine.

As to the 'Judaea declares war on Germany' thing, it is worth noting that the boycott was short-lived and ineffective. Many German Jews opposed it, rightly fearing a Nazi backlash.

The Protocols are based on an earlier work by Maurice Joly, which was a satirical polemic against Louis Napoleon (Napoleon III). The alleged provenance of the Protocols is somewhat contradictory to say the least, here's a post from another forum, the original notes I had got lost during computer upgrade:

Indeed it isn't the work of one human being. It's a fabrication by many.

There is Krushevan's version 'Minutes of the Meeting of the World Union of Freemasons and Elders of Zion'. These minutes are supposed to have been copied from the Central Chancellery of Zion in France. Krushevan admits to not knowing how they were copied, or indeed who copied them. (Znamya, issue 26 August 1903) Krushevan was the instigator of a pogrom at Kishinev in Bessarabia, in which 45 Jews died, 400 injured and 1300 Jewish houses and shops destroyed.

G.V. Butmi, a fellow Bessarabian and editor for Krushevan's version, published his own version. He claims that the protocols were carefully extracted page-by-page from a secret archive in the same Central Chancellery which it would be impossible to penetrate again. . .(Jouin: Le Peril Judeo-maconnique 1922)

On to Sergei Nilus, whose version is the most famous. In the 1905 edition he states that the protocols were removed by a correspondent of his from the secret archives of Central Chancellery of Zion in France. Although the SAME edition also carries a note stating that they were stolen by a woman from one of the most influential leaders of Freemasonry following a meeting in France. By 1917 Nilus had decided to place the Protocols at the same time and place as the first Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland in 1897. The problem here is that the original manuscript for the protocols was in French, but the official language for the Zionist congress was German, and there were no French Delegates. He had also stated in 1905 that the lectures had been delivered in 1902-3.
( Nilus: 'Velikoe v Malkom' 1905 and 'Bliz est, pri dverekh' 1917)

Gottfried zur Beck, editor of the first German edition, maintained that the Elders of Zion mentioned and the members of the Basel congress were one and the same.(Die Geheimnisse der Weissen von Zion 1920) Theodor Fritsch's 1921 version claims the original was seized from a Jewish house by the Russian secret police and was written in Hebrew. . . (Die zionistischen Protokolle 1920)