Skeptic Project

I always love it when some 95lb-hero tells me that living vegan makes him feel more powerful.

Certain Zeitgeist members need to read that link.

I totally don't give a shit about animals, unless its my cat.

Plants have feelings too, or at least senses and chemical signals and shit. And they have a kind of nervous system in their roots, according to a TED talk. And they move. Just because they move slowly doesn't mean they're not alive! Or that they "don't have an interest in survival"

The paleolithic diet has more scientific support than veganism. I heard biologist Michael R. Rose give a talk recently where he argued that natural selection acted on Eurasian populations to favor genes which help us thrive on agricultural diets during our reproductive years, but by the age of 40 or so the body's nutritional needs revert back towards a paleolithic physiology.

To be fair, I think that if you're going to be vegan for moral reasons, you need to abstain from ALL animal products. It's illogical to stop eating meat yet continue to buy things that have animal products in them. It's also illogical to run in a field and kill insects that die from your footprint. It's also wrong to fly planes because many bugs and birds have been hit by them.

I'm fairly black and white on the whole vegan / vegetarian thing when it comes to moral reasons. If you're going to be a vegetarian to save life, then you *must* go all the way and be a complete vegan.

Of course, dunces will say that intent is all that matters. Therefore, a plane hitting birds or you accidentally stepping on ants isn't a big deal. Or, they'll say that insects or other simple creatures aren't worth saving - only large animals with complex brains are.

Nope. Doesn't fly.

Exactly.