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sorryPosted: Oct 11, 2010 - 21:26
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A key component of autism is focusing on details to an extreme degree. They fail to "see the forest from the trees", an attribute I have noticed among many of the most egregious truthers. They will focus on one bit of evidence and ignore the total sum.

Aspergers Syndrome, which will likely be taken out of the DSM-V, is a milder form of autism. Truthers who are on the autism spectrum likely have AS. They can communicate and socialize at a functional level, but there is still the problem of struggling to understand things as a whole, in context, and semantically. They get caught up in literal meanings without understanding that a word, phrase, or situation can be seen differently depending on the perspective and context.

I wonder if some, if not many, of the vaccine-mercury CTers aren't autistic / family of autistic children.

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Jimmy BiscuitPosted: Oct 13, 2010 - 06:34
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Their rigid thinking also makes it more difficult for them to integrate knew knoweldge into existing cogntive schemas, therefore explaining the complete rejection of new evidence in modifying their CTs

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sorryPosted: Oct 13, 2010 - 08:45
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Good addition. Also, the rigid thinking makes it difficult for the more autistic people to comprehend variety in language. If a debunker is very fluent and uses a variety of words and phrases in their writing, it may either go over the autistic's head. It may also irritate them when they don't understand what is being said, making them less likely to reason.

Oh, and of course, this proves Alex Jones and the like are autistic. They haven't provided psychological assessment results proving they aren't on the spectrum, so obviously they are.

Of course, in this case, one has some credible evidence linking Jones to the disorder. I'd be more inclined to say, however, that he is simply either paranoid or a good con artist.

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 13, 2010 - 09:10
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I've got Assburger traits and I ain't a Truther.

I'm not really sure I buy into the notion that someone has Assburgers or they don't. I think its degrees of traits.

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sorryPosted: Oct 13, 2010 - 09:13
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No, but you were a Green Party supporter. :P I'm surprised you'd say you have it, Matt, since you don't act like it - at least to me.

Obviously, we're not saying all people with Aspergers is a Truther. But, some of the symptoms of a Truther can be explained by the disorder.

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 13, 2010 - 09:16
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My traits don't really fall under the anti-social parts of the Assburgers spectrum.

I think the Truthers who don't outgrow it suffer from much more serious personality disorders.

And you're right about the GP support. Understanding myself allows for much more rational decisions. Which is why I no longer support the GP.

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sorryPosted: Oct 13, 2010 - 09:23
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People don't necessarily outgrow Aspergers. What I assume you meant is they can adapt to and compensate for the shortcomings. Many who fail to do so develop or continue to experience symptoms of anxiety and depression, which could certainly lead to more Truthiness. Aspergers originally was considered to be a subset of schizophrenia, suggesting potential development of that disorder.

I wish I could assess all Truthers to see exactly how psychologically stable they are.

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 13, 2010 - 09:30
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"What I assume you meant is they can adapt to and compensate for the shortcomings."

Yes, if they have the metacognition to do so. Those that lack the metacognition to do so probably suffer from other personality disorders in addition to the Assburgers and they're just going by what their Pdoc or Tdoc diagnosed them with for insurance filing purposes.

"Many who fail to do so develop or continue to experience symptoms of anxiety and depression, which could certainly lead to more Truthiness."

I'd agree with that.

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 13, 2010 - 09:53
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Also, some people are just lunkheads that believe in any stupid shit as long as it goes against mainstream beliefs.

So I think stupidity plays a part too. Some people are simply morons and they will always be morons.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Oct 13, 2010 - 10:06
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I'll never forget the Zeitgeist movie supporter who said "I primarily agree with Zeitgeist because it goes against the status quo." How insanely retarded.

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 13, 2010 - 10:16
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I'm going to stop breathing because the status quo does it.

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Jimmy BiscuitPosted: Oct 13, 2010 - 12:31
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Interesting parallels. I think on balance there are a range of psycholgical processes that contribute to the beliefs of CTs. I think primarily it is underpinned by unmet emotional needs combined with a somewhat antisocial personality style (by that I mean a disposition to be critical of, and resitent to authority).

All people strive for meaning, we are meaning makers. If our lives, for whatever reason, lack meaning that is sufficiently stimulating and coherent, we will create a meaning that provides us with this, at the expense of other factors such as a strong evidence base.

I did My Clinical Psychology doctoral thesis on Persecutory Delusions, which some people understand to be a defensive process. A sensitive of fragile sense of self leads to an inability to tolerate our own mistakes. This leads to an externalising cognitive style in which events, especially negative ones, are attributed to external, personal causes. So, when late for a meeting, rather than blaming oneself (internal cause) or the traffic (external-situational cause), people blame a conspiracy against them (external-personal cause). The reason they chose the external-personal rather than the external-situational cause, is that blaming a situation rather that a person requires greater cognitive resources, so if already stressed, it is more likely we will revert to blaming individuals for our mistakes rather than considering the more inherently complex systemic factors.

I think it is the underlying emotional needs and their influence on defensive cognitive processes, combined with the grandiosity that comes with believing you are one of few people with special knowledge, underpins CT beliefs, rather than Aspergers. Nevertheless, a rigid cognitive style may also not help!!

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sorryPosted: Oct 13, 2010 - 13:33
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Jimmy, I think your words explain why many people who do are not on the autism spectrum can become CTs.

There are so many dynamics at play when it comes to the CT mindset. Many neurobiologically healthy people can fall for illogical thinking, which I think is the primary deficit in CTers.

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