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Jimmy Biscuit | Posted: Oct 11, 2010 - 10:36 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | Just a question for all u ex-CTers, or those of you that know some. What is the process of questioning, and ultimately rejecting your once strongly held CT beliefs. I'm interested to know cause my friend (who introduced me to the CT world) is still heavily involved. He seems to employ several reasoning processes that will undermine any scope for recovery. For example, he rejects most written articles and doesn't seem to value the process of referencing sources. He dismisses the value of 'common sense', rejecting important arguments such as 'chem trails will effect everyone in the same way so why would the NWO use such a poor method' as common sense and therefore invalid. He thinks documentaries are the gold standard of evidence. He will reject any counter evidence, regardless of the source, as disinformation or corruption (e.g. corrupt peer-review process, global media control etc.) Anyway, I'd be interested to know from people who once held these types of beliefs, how they moved on. My hunch is that life presents them with different priorities (family, work, romance etc) and that with time they start to see that CT predictions (such as the many Alex Jones makes) just aren't materialising. Is there anything more specific that changed your belief system?? | |||||
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Muertos | Posted: Oct 11, 2010 - 10:43 |
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Paid Disinformation Blogger Level: 14 CS Original | I wasn't as heavily into CTs as some here have been, and as it sounds like your friend is, but I did believe in them at one time. What started to get me out of them was something pretty small. I noticed in one documentary that one person who was talking on the screen was describing something different than the diagram he was holding in his hands which supposedly supported what he was saying. (This was a documentary about JFK and the subject involved his head wounds). I started checking some of the other claims of the documentary and found they were utterly false. I think you're right that life begins to present other priorities, and once you get deeply involved in school, job, kids etc. suddenly you wake up one day and realize that the martial law Alex Jones predicted in 1998 hasn't happened yet, or that the North American Union isn't really happening. Then you start treating conspiracy-mongers with the skepticism they deserve, and ultimately through investigation you start to recognize patterns of deception in all CT'ers and their sources. Once you pick up that pattern you can distinguish something true from CT bullshit almost immediately. The final step is when you start to get angry about CTs that you once believed in and angry at the people who sold them to you. When you start doing something about it, you become a debunker. :) | |||||
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Jimmy Biscuit | Posted: Oct 11, 2010 - 10:46 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | Thanks Muertos - that's really interesting...I just hope my mate will eventually start veiwing things more critically! | |||||
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Sil the Shill | Posted: Oct 11, 2010 - 12:41 |
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Level: 9 CS Original | Well, I was never a full blown CT'er, but I was certainly on the fence for awhile. And I do mean that as actually being 'on the fence' and not 'on the fence but some of the planks broke and I landed on the CT side' like so many others who use the term mean... but I definitely lost a lot of sleep thinking about the possibility of camps and martial law. I think the best way to break out of the CT mentality is to learn things and educate yourself through legitimate mediums. I think it's a sad but true reality that most folks (Americans especially) are pretty ignorant when it comes to things like history and politics and stuff like that, so when a CT makes a claim it usually goes unchallenged simply because other people don't have the necessary information to determine why that claim is wrong. What really helped swayed me over to the non-CT though, was the fact that the conspiracy theorists had to constantly lie to get their point across. Sure there were some things that you could attribute to a government cover-up if you were paranoid enough about it, but some things were just undeniable lies. If your case is so sound, why the need to lie and distort facts? I saw no such intellectual dishonesty from the 'skeptical side'. On top of that were the countless failed predictions that CT'ers made. Sites like this are also a great reference and filled with lots of information, but I think a "full recovery" can only come about once someone arms themselves with the tools to try and break down claims on their own. You may not be able to give a detailed analysis on every kooky claim out there, but you should be able to see why it's wrong (or rarely, why it's right!). | |||||
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domokato | Posted: Oct 11, 2010 - 13:19 |
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Level: 4 CS Original | I personally made a recovery from woo and utopian social movements (and a bit of CT-like cynicism) by strengthening my critical thinking skills. I learned about cognitive biases and logical fallacies and started to notice myself committing them, then started to notice where I had committed them in the past, which led to the beliefs I had at the time. Slowly, I broke down those erroneous beliefs and belief structures. Also, getting my first full time job helped. You start to see how hard it would be for any sort of secret massive coordination between people to succeed, let alone non-secret coordination :) | |||||
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anticultist | Posted: Oct 11, 2010 - 14:43 |
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Brainwashing you for money Level: 15 CS Original | I purchased a tin foil hat and realised I didnt think any clearer with it on than I did with it off. Seriously though I just started talking to more skeptics and listening to the views of skeptics more carefully than I previously had. I got sick of worrying about whether CT's might be right and decided that I should be a man and stop pissing my pants about the boogie man and the dark and do some research into their ridiculous claims. | |||||
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