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I found this a bit interesting didn't get to listen to the 9/11 conspiracy theory spiel but link is below.

title: Peter discusses 9/11 in relation to TZM
description: Fantastic interview of Peter Joseph Sept. 10, 2010. Updates on TZM's progress and goals, and his next movie Zeitgeist III: Moving Forward. As usual Peter communicates the concepts of a Resource Based Economy brilliantly.

http://vimeo.com/14942011</p>

I did find it interesting in a forum where he basically blames the economic system for 9/11, it's in such a way that Peter the conspiracy theorist is the only person who knows "what really happened" and that everybody else is an idiot... It's that smug cultic attitude that we typical see from Dr. Peter Joseph Merola.

"Peter Merola says: I'm not going to respond to this thread anymore. This is exactly why I avoid the issue like the plague these days. All it does is distract. If you think 911 is more important than the on going cancer known as the economic system (which is where 911 actual spawned from) which will be what kills us all if change isn't made fast - go ahead. I have done my time and I'm Moving Forward."

If you guys listen to the

Forum post below
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http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=288445&limit=10&limitstart=10#289012

Some dude: the words "deal with" in reference to protest groups is inherently pejorative and dismissive.

Peter merola responce: You can project the assumption of a dismissive, pejorative and arrogant disposition all you like within my words - "deal with"- but that is not at all my intent or view.

I have spent literally 100s of hours on the issue of 911 and have been at ground zero talking to people for 6 years along with countless radio shows after Z1. I have analyzed the situation and, in my view now (take it or leave it), it has run its course and is a "dead issue" in the broad sense. The damage has been done and while the benefit of showing the government that we know some of their games is good - they will simply change strategies.

some dude: i hope that your next film will offer some literal steps to begin affecting concrete change together as a movement. if not, the Zeitgeist Movement and Venus Project will remain grandiose ideals (however well-founded and accurate) which are inaccessible to the common person. i hope we will soon see the importance of implementing the policies we would like to see. if not, there can be no hope of seeing them come to fruition.

Peter Merola responce:

My new film will show the reasoning for the change along the lines of human possibly coupled with the neg. bio-social pressures which are growing at at exponential rate. Virtually everything is now in decline on this planet and human life span decline (for the majority) is right around the corner.

I don't think that you understand that this change will happen one way or another. The only question is how much suffering you and everyone else will endure as it is fought while the system breaks down. It could take 30 years or it could take 300. It is up to you. There is a "point of no return" as well, so keep that in mind.

Anyone out there there who wants to focus on 911 as though its revelation is anything new or that it is somehow different from the dozens of other false flags which have gone unaddressed... as the war machine keeps going based on its mafia style need for control --- fine --- but don't be surprised when you figure out the threshold has been met and it is going nowhere. You need to focus your time and what will have the longest term gain. And even if it was fully exposed and people were put in the jail; the myth of terrorism and government policy of private invasion was lifted - IT WILL DO NOTHING TO FIX THE REASONS WHY THE EVENT AND THE POLICIES OCCURRED TO BEGIN WITH.

I'm not going to respond to this thread anymore. This is exactly why I avoid the issue like the plague these days. All it does is distract. If you think 911 is more important than the on going cancer known as the economic system (which is where 911 actual spawned from) which will be what kills us all if change isn't made fast - go ahead. I have done my time and I'm Moving Forward.

"This is exactly why I avoid the issue [9/11] like the plague these days. "
- Peter Joseph

OH RLY?
http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/new-zeitgeist-the-movie</p>

Funny...

How in the world is 9/11 related to economics?

Because our economic system doesn't transform the world into paradise? Jeez.

> they can just say over and over "the monetary system!" and in their minds that can
> only be the right answer.

Sad but true.

As someone who started out pondering just how much the 'monetary system' was to blame, the deeper I dug the more useful I found it actually is, and the more its the fault of people, rather than the system per say.

Its also perhaps interesting that the people who most benefit from the system, are those that cooperate the most..

If all that Joe public did was to better cooperate, coordinate their efforts, such as using websites to determine the best place to shop for the cheapest prices, or to target buying only from Fairtrade suppliers/etc. then they would have the power to change the world faster than anything else just by going about their daily lives with a bit of thought, instead of everyone one of them thinking for themselves alone and saying 'screw you' to everyone else's decision.

The fault lies within all of us, but it sounds better to blame something else, than to work together with others..

But then, that is how our genetic programming is for the most part..

And it seems people have trouble breaking away from what evolution has given them, even though they talk about free will, so many of us are slaves to genes that we are predictable in our behaviours and thus easily exploited..

To break the bonds we need to mature, grasp out own minds and work with our fellow man, whoever that maybe to better our world.

The funny thing is that if 9/11 really was an inside job and the towers were demolished and they faked the U93 and Pentagon crashes the truthers are absolutely right in saying that it is extremely important for people to be made aware of it, yet Peter who apparently believes this just acts like its irrelevant to talk about anymore. The man is just wrong in every way I can think of lol

Peter will win the academy award you'll see! The academy award for best conspiracy theorist movie that idiots will believe in.

I don't think they have an award for shameless self promotion.

Well, if you accept the following conditions:

a) All acts of violence are caused by environmental effects
b) All environments can in practice be redesigned to eliminate these
c) Money is a hindrance in this process

...then you arrive at the conclusion that money causes 9/11.

edit: Wait, PJ believes 9/11 is an inside job to get oil, then it's probably even easier. Almost forgot that one.

If Peter really was moving forward why did he spend so much effort remaking Z1 with a 200+ page companion guide?

I think it may have been more of him trying to get the last word in before closing the door on the argument.

Which is strange since its just the same nonsense he had before, its not like he actually tried to refute any criticisms of the first one. He still says the hijackers are still alive!!!

No it's because too many people were pointing out how inaccurate the movie was. He needs the companion guide so that the members of his fan club can just post a link to it every time someone challenges the movie and no one has to think about anything.

Winner.

Merola will never "close the door" on 9/11. Appealing to conspiracy theorists is a key part of his marketing strategy, and also a key tenet of his own personal belief system. He'll never give it up and he'll never stop pushing the conspiracy theory. Don't get your hopes up, TeeZedem.

God, just listened to a TZM webradio on Pseudoscience, just to hear somebody say that 911 Truth is neither pseudoscience nor conspiracy theory, but only valid doubts to the official story, which (=official story) is nonsense.

I hoped they'd go into how science should prioritize, how we should allocate work and resources, but it's the same "Let people do what they want" all over again.

I'm working on a small hierarchy (as in "food is more important than satellite TV"), would've been helpful.