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MuertosPosted: Sep 10, 2010 - 18:05
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So, I thought it would be strange, given how much I talk about 9/11, to not have some recognition or observance of the event tomorrow. Here is a blog I wrote about it.

http://muertos.blog.com/2010/09/10/nine-years-on-september-11-the-anniversary-and-the-deluded-deniers/</p>

I chose to put it on my own blog as opposed to the CS blog because I want the focus to be more personal and less a specific piece of debunking, which it is not intended as. I do discuss 9/11 Truthers, however, from the standpoint of the terrible disrespect they do to everyone who died on that day.

For what it's worth.

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KeppPosted: Sep 10, 2010 - 19:01
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Another great article!

I also enjoyed your Ron Paul/Global Warming article as well.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Sep 10, 2010 - 19:23
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Our hits (along with CTs') sky rocket on 9/11, good idea.

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MuertosPosted: Sep 10, 2010 - 19:47
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Hey Ed, seeming that's the case, can we maybe do a quick blog tomorrow basically setting out links to our main 9/11 material?

I've got plans during the day tomorrow so I would only be able to do a half-assed job of it, but maybe someone could just throw some of the links together and we can publish it as a blog.

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The Burger KingPosted: Sep 10, 2010 - 19:54
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Read the blog very well written but I have to say I didn't get into as much but it's more on me than anything else. I do agree that 9/11 CTer's needs to shut up I believe my thinking is for a different reason than yours. I look at 9/11 CTer's the same as moonhoaxer CTer's, being that if we did or did not land on the moon it will in no way affect my life, the same goes for 9/11 if the government plotted or did not plot in the falling down of buildings it still does not affect me. At that I feel bad when anybody dies but I simply don't care anymore about 9/11 not to be a jerk but it happened it has passed lets move forward not backwards. Do I sit their and talk about how my gma died or how my dog died; no I don't every few years I may visit the graves but nothing else. You think victims like to be reminded why they are victims of course not so why does everybody continue to mention 9 goddamn 11 ...

I can't sympathize with 9/11 victims anymore, I did it for maybe a day when it happened but for the majority of us it's over so get over it. I still sympathize with people who fought in Vietnam and everything but not as much but I'd rather treat anybody as a human being than as a constant victim...

I also have to say I felt that Muertos blog is a very patriotic type of blog and I believe part of the reason the blog did not appeal to me is the fact that I don't consider myself to be patriotic at all. I guess it's apart of my natural anarchist idealisms in me but I've always felt on focusing on myself first and everything else after. In respect to 9/11 or 9/11 sypothsers I could give a shit about 9/11. Unfortuntly if I wrote a blog about 9/11 I'd say "9/11 happened awhile ago the end".

A few good things I got from the blog is I know a lot more about 9/11 Cter's. I can't believe they believe the plans were holograms and that lazers shot out of the sky and actually was what blew up the buildings... It's simply amazing, I never knew how much people believed in this stuff until TZM... It's emphasizes the need as to why conspriacy science is here.

FYI not saying the blog is bad it's great, well written and interesting, just didn't appeal to me but i know it will appeal to a lot of people do to it may bring out the emotional appeal.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Sep 10, 2010 - 21:01
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I have a really big end-of-the-year deadline for work, I can't really do anything except post every now and then, maybe Dave can.

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GenogzaPosted: Sep 12, 2010 - 16:27
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Muertos, I enjoy your work and writing, and up to this point almost all you have done on this subject.

But I think think I have to(and painfully I might ad) defend the CT's on this one. While I disagree with their views and logic toward the whole event, I completely disagree with your generalization. Sure they are wrong, and some of them off the wall, but the vast majority of these people do care about the victims, and care a lot. Sure they pass blame in the wrong direction, but to put this kind of heat on an insignificant group of people who had nothing to do with what happened, is a little absurd. Some of them have donated to, and tried to help the families of the victims. And because they have an alternate view of the tragedy, I don't really see the point of this kind of condemnation when their views alone does that for them.

My point is that there are far worse people on both the left and the right that have actually done worse on/for this situation then an insignificant group of kooks who blame the government for everything. A lot of people have died since then, not for the conspiracy theory cause, but for the cause of others, like fighting an impossible war. One which I've lost friends and family in, and I'm sure others here have as well.

Again, I have nothing but the most respect for your and your work, and actually admire your craft. But on this specific notion, I have to go the other way.

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MuertosPosted: Sep 12, 2010 - 16:50
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Thanks for your comments, Genzoga, and no offense taken.

I have yet to meet a 9/11 Truther who has any genuine concern for the victims of 9/11 or their families. These people are not motivated by concerns for innocent victims. They're motivated by their burning desire to blame 9/11 on someone they don't like, usually the government.

Yes, I'm aware that some CTs have donated to victims' families. Dylan Avery supposedly set up a foundation to do this, but so far as I know not much has actually been donated. In Avery's case the whole thing was merely a PR stunt to blunt the criticism that he cared more about his conspiracy theory than about the victims' families. Unfortunately, at least from my own observation, that type of approach is fairly common for 9/11 Truthers.

I've never heard or seen a Truther show concern for a 9/11 family member that goes beyond expressing "outrage" at how "your government lied to you" and other tropes designed to play into their agenda. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is what I've observed.

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sorryPosted: Sep 12, 2010 - 17:02
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Regardless of how the truthers feel, they've disregarded science, reason, rationale - things that are needed to protect American lives. Stirring up unnecessary outrage toward the government breeds a level of hostility toward those who spend their days and nights protecting our freedom and security. Imagine how the world would function if every commander was disillusioned into believing pseudoscience and irrational ideas.

If someone truly cared, truthers would consider this and critically assess the evidence for which they base their claims.

That's just my opinion.

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GenogzaPosted: Sep 12, 2010 - 18:59
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Thanks for the response, Muertos. I do understand where you're coming from, and can see your point. I was just trying to point out a few details. Most of the CT'ers I do come across do care about the victims, as some of them lost family in said attacks. So it's really a lot of perception and experience in who you deal with or come across. For that I understand your point.

Aaron, while I agree with you to an extent, there's one large flaw in your post you haven't addressed. That you can say that about many groups, one's far worse and with 100x the influence then CT'ers.

In fact, if you boil it down to your words, you've basically described almost the whole Republican Party.

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sorryPosted: Sep 12, 2010 - 19:03
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You're right. But it doesn't let CTers off the hook. Either way, I'm less likely to condescend CTers, as they usually know not what they do. Republicans, on the other hand...

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The Burger KingPosted: Sep 12, 2010 - 19:15
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I don't care for 9/11 =P this is like talking about Michael jackass after he's did and still accusing him of being a child molester (that did happen to me on a forum)... These people are dead lets get over it, "9/11 happened the end". I can't give anymore sympathy to 9/11 victims or as much as Michael Jackass truth seekers...

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sorryPosted: Sep 12, 2010 - 19:50
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Billll, 911 is not like Michael Jackson because the molester (Bush, NWO, etc, according to truthers) isn't dead.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Sep 12, 2010 - 23:54
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Maybe in order to stop the NWO, they need the NWO to have a sleepover with underage boys where they all sleep in the same bed.

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No_HerosPosted: Sep 16, 2010 - 17:26
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CT'ers are people. People are different. Generalizations are usually unwarranted. I understand the need to group things for conversational purpose but maybe least break us CT'ers into sub catagories. I became an "infowarrior" because of my conscience and because i cared. I stopped being an infowarrior cause there's to much bullshit in those circles and there was to many clincaly crazy people. I'm genuine and many others I know I think are too.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Sep 16, 2010 - 19:44
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I think it really depends No_Heros, when someone is talking about secret lizards or space beams on 9/11 and all footage faked, the odds are the person does have some issues. I don't make that same generalization on general NWO believers, because just the belief system there-in is so broad, from regular people who are misinformed, to bat shit insane people who think satellite are watching them right this moment.

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