Skeptic Project

Regarding 9/11 you made the following statement in your FAQ's section:
'I say that based on the evidence provided by conspiracy theorists, I have yet to see anything of consequence that shows 9/11 was an inside job or was done by anyone else other than Osama bin Laden and friends.'

First off, your are distinguishing the gov's theory as separate from other 'conspiracy theories' even though it is in fact also a conspiracy theory. Nonetheless, I would have to assume based on the above statement that you've at least read the 571 page 9/11 Commission report and verified the 'conspiracy theory' presented in it. Have you missed altogether the fact that our gov. has not proven OBL guilty of ANYTHING related to 9/11, nor have they proven a single hijacker to be involved? In 48hrs they had photos/names of all 19 with only the access to passenger lists as a starting point. Yet when folks on that list started turning up alive, we got some response about double identities yet no follow up was every done and no revised list EVER presented to the public. When asked how certain he was of the names, then FBI director Mueller said: 'we're fairly certain about a number of them'.

As for the theory that the attacks were an inside job, I'd next have to ask you how thorough you've been in your research here. Have you read anything by Griffin?? Have you watched 'Fabled Enemies' or 'Blueprint for Truth' for free online?? For the sake of simplicity, let's narrow down the entire 9/11 gammet of issues to that of just building 7. There is a theory out there that people at the highest levels of gov. as well as NIST have conspired to present inaccurate information with regards to how 7 collapsed. This has ENORMOUS implications of not only scientific fraud, criminal conspiracy as well as TREASON. The book 'Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center Seven' spells out the evidence supporting said theory. You claim to find 'conspiracies' interesting. Well I feel the same about the truth and with regards to 9/11 and the mass murder of over 3000 people, you and I cannot both be right so I'm challenging you to stand behind the efforts you are making with this website. I'll gladly discuss any chapter, any specific issue in the above book.

Yes, I'm well aware of Griffin and that's he a total liar. Why don't you point out my errors and explain, in your own words, why I'm wrong?

(Awaits YouTube videos)

I like how conspiracy theorists focus on building 7 now, mostly because all of their shit about WTC 1/2 has been debunked or they don't know how to argue their points anymore. They stick to building 7 because it offers a gateway so if they can convince you of building 7 conspiracy theories, then you are more open to accept ones about WTC 1/2, Pentagon, etc even if there is tons of evidence to the contrary.

I'm not the one making theories here, you are, so why don't you lay it out for us in plain English? You basically challenged me to believe a conspiracy theorist who is a known liar, so that isn't really a good challenge. Reminds me of when people say "Prove the Bible isn't true!"

Your cheque is in the mail argonessen

"Steven Jones (a Mormon) is the person who says he found evidence of Jesus in North America. But Griffin is also full of shit."

Mixed up my liars. Who found Jesus? Who found exploding paint? Who found space beams? So easy to lose track. Thanks for the correction.

truther2001 claims that hijackers as still alive, I wonder how many hijackers' the truth movement have contacted to verify this.

Matt's reply was pretty good, except I'd add that I actually have read the Commission report, I seriously did. That's why when the claim "Building 7 was never mentioned!" came up, I instantly knew it was wrong, and then conspiracy theorists, in a horrible attempt to "undebunk" me, claimed I was lying, saying they had read it. Well, obviously they were lying and had not read it, as I simply had the pages off due to differences in the PDF and physical versions of the book. Once I posted the corrected page numbers, suddenly they stopped claiming they had read it and it wasn't in there.

Fucking liars.

Oh jeez, you mean there really ARE still 9/11 Truthers out there? What is this, 2006? I figured once they got down to space beams and exploding paint that they'd be pretty much done. But I guess a movement headed by Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnell never quite dies, as much as we wish it would.

Okay, Truther moron. Let's go.

"Nonetheless, I would have to assume based on the above statement that you've at least read the 571 page 9/11 Commission report and verified the 'conspiracy theory' presented in it."

I have read the 571-page 9/11 Commission Report as well as the considerably longer NIST report. You must keep in mind that the 9/11 Commission Report was not established to determine "who did it." We already know who did it--Osama and his team of Al Qaida hijackers. Nevertheless, the 9/11 Commission report supports that fact in its entirety.

"Have you missed altogether the fact that our gov. has not proven OBL guilty of ANYTHING related to 9/11, nor have they proven a single hijacker to be involved?"

Well, considering the fact that Osama bin Laden confessed to masterminding it, Khalid Sheik Mohamed confessed to planning it and the actual hijackers confessed in their suicide videos to their role, I'm not sure what sort of "proof" you're looking for. I suppose the 19 dead Arab men in the four crashes on 9/11 don't constitute "proof" of the hijackers' involvement? But let me guess, the BBC ran an article saying six of them are still alive! Ah, the Truther nonsense never gets old, does it.

"In 48hrs they had photos/names of all 19 with only the access to passenger lists as a starting point. Yet when folks on that list started turning up alive, we got some response about double identities yet no follow up was every done and no revised list EVER presented to the public."

Um, yes it was. Have YOU read the 9/11 Commission Report? There is a list and even photos of the hijackers. Surprise! It's the exact same names as those on the passenger list. There was no "revision" necessary because the hijackers never turned up alive. Kinda funny how everybody on a doomed plane dies, isn't it?

"Have you read anything by Griffin??"

Yes, and I wish I hadn't, because Griffin is delusional at best and a liar at worst.

"There is a theory out there that people at the highest levels of gov. as well as NIST have conspired to present inaccurate information with regards to how 7 collapsed."

I'm not interested in theories--I'm interested in proof.

"The book 'Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center Seven' spells out the evidence supporting said theory."

And does this book present evidence that refutes that Osama's hijackers did it? Or, let me guess, it produces a laundry list of claimed "discrepancies" and then just assumes that these add up to a conspiracy.

Typical Truther bullshit garbage. Yawn. Can't we debunk reptile people or something for a change? The Truthers and global warming deniers are getting really old. It's like shooting fish in a barrel because we've debunked all their theories so many times before.