Skeptic Project

"Sky you said a few times you dont belive me, i dont want you too! check it out for yourself!! Learn some physics and maths that would help for a start!"

What I meant was that I don't believe that you really have looked at both sides.

"Anyone who is unbias who looks at this entire thread and all links (therein) and does there own reaserch would without a blink come out on my side of the debate."

Please tell me what bias you think I have, and then explain how you don't have the same bias.

"You explained nothing of note, and answered none of the questions raised; if you did please refer me to exactly where you did that! if you can that is! ie (EXACTLY)"

Yes, I did, read where I pointed out to you that the investigation into the collapse didn't wait for a year, because there were two investigations. I also mentioned that one factor that could have caused the South Tower to collapse first was that the plane hit lower, and I pointed out what the John Farmer was really talking about. I didn't discuss everything you mentioned, because I hate it when people just throw tons and tons of stuff at me, and then just ignore what I said.

"What evidence do you have for this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QMSAsOkumI&feature=related "

No, I want scientific evidence, not some kid talking. In that video, he compares the WTC to a completely different structure. You can't just simplify things like that.

"Err it does lol, you should of watched my link before replying egg on ya face again!"

I assume the building in that video didn't have enough momentum to collapse. It is a completly differen't structure. What does that have to do with the WTC???

"I shouldnt have to respond to this!! float there lol No! crashed though many floors slowing as it does because of RESISTANCE!! NOT, NEVER, EVER TOTAL COLLAPS AT FREE FALL RATE!! LOL total physical impossibility, in that model. (OR ANY OTHER)"

The buildings didn't fall at free fall speeds, and you can even see debris falling faster then the collapse. Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4&feature=player_embedded

"What's wrong with the NIST report? everything i dont belive in the tooth fairy or santa claws no more!"

If your going to declare that the NIST report is bad, your going to have to give a better reason then just saying it is like "santa claws".

"Im not the only one not to conform to science that becomes fiction, Which is what bazants theories are!! Bazant can no longer be taken seriously"

My point was that if there was a new investigation, you would automatically reject it, unless it confirmed what you wanted to be true. You are proving this right now, by declaring that Bazant's paper is science fiction. Show be what science you have done to disprove it, not some crap about "high school physics"

"Sky your last post makes you look like a cheap shot artist BTW, lets just debate and not get like that man! Unless that is the way you want to look, but hey whats the point man. I want a debate not a flame war, so lets play it cool. Lets all just be friends and agree to disagree."

You are the one here who is making arrogant statements that anyone who believe's in "science fiction" is just some idiot who dosen't know high school physics. Did I make you mad with that google video comment or something?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2001940308100225183#

Westburo Baptist Church does not agree but i found proof of what you said on the southpark film so it must be true.

He did the reserch himself lol .... why would he if they planned and executed the attacks lmfao! We slept on cave floors and you try to take the credit away.......... man you couldnt write this shit!!!

Like most he is a shill or a total dumbfuck.... how in gods earth did he get on the news in the first place ....... second rate actors even hated him!!!

what a fucking joke.

Oh wow sarcasm ......... that is awsome! The only way you could respond given this obvious shill!! lol

No omar al faroqu is supposedly an al qaeda operative, and this was on the news and we were supposed to belive that a terrorist would bother to debunk .........ANYTHING!!! Like shite it doesnt work like that in the real world.

And back to the real world i only got involved in all this shit in the fist place to prove a friend of mine wrong about conspirecy theories! If i had i would of walked away from it because what would i gain from going on website ect to say 'HEY YOU KNOW WHAT CONSPIRECY THEORIES ARE ALL WRONG'. I would of walked away from it, i wouldnt of waisted my life dis dis dis proving shit to people i will never EVER meet!! Fucking waist of time

Holy shit no way.... have they found who the head belongs too yet? keep me updated please

As far as Cooper's predictions are concerned, I fail to see how they were post diction, because he wasn't referring to a previous attack. Also how was he (or Jones or Russo) supposed to know that the date would be 9/11? All they knew (by reading mainstream media or by being told personally) is that there would be an event that would rapidly catalyze certain political processes.

Cooper's prediction was a little more specific than that.

Bullshit. Here are William Cooper's "predictions." There are no specific mentions of 9/11. Not only that, but most of them are flat out wrong. The closest thing to a 9/11 "prediction" are the documents about Project Bojinka. William Cooper was a woo-woo who suicided by cop to make himself a martyr.

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"This is the age of deception. The world is on the razor. One half is scheduled to be exterminated if these people have their way, and the other half is scheduled to be enslaved when the mystical union between the moon IS (Isis or Church) and the sun RA (Osiris or Doctrine) greets the Son of the morning EL (Horus or full body of Adepts) on the horizon (Horus risen) in the New Dawn (ISRAEL or realization of the New World Order).

"When the process is complete a new worldwide Soviet Union will emerge to thin the herd, shear the sheople, and march them off to enslavement or slaughter depending upon their individual ability to accept and adhere to their reeducation.

As Cooper ponders the fate of America and the world, his 1997 words appear to be coming true as we enter 2006.

"There will be no individual Rights only privileges. These will be granted or denied at will by the world supra government. All property is to be owned by the State. There will be a redistribution of wealth. They plan to eliminate class differences and reduce the standard of living to a lower level in the advanced nations, such as the United States, and to a higher standard of living in the so-called third world nations.

"This leveling of the standard of living will be accomplished through a global economic collapse which is in its beginning stages. The economic collapse will fulfill the goal of Marx and Engles' Communist Manifesto mandating the elimination of the middle class. The graduated income tax was the first implementation of this process and is one of the planks of the Communist Manifesto. NAFTA and GATT are a part of this process encouraging industry to move into third-world nations in order to exploit cheap labor.

"All existing religions will disappear. The only religion will be the state religion (humanism or illuminism).

"All County and State governments will be eliminated and replaced with regional government. These regional governments (Home Rule) are already in place. Regionalism is gradually taking control throughout America.

"There will be no more cash. Trade will be accomplished by a system of computer credits with accounts accessed through debit cards or computer chip implants. The cards or implants will also serve as personal identification, drivers license, and etc. When this is completed the human race will be shackled to a computer in a never ending cycle of debt. No action or movement will ever again be private."

"MAJESTYTWELVE stated that the first terrorist attack in the United States would occur in a large city such as New York or Los Angeles . Based upon that statement I accurately predicted that it would occur in New York, and it did when the World Trade Center was bombed.

"MAJESTYTWELVE stated that terrorism would continue until the American People consented to be completely and thoroughly disarmed. The document stated that the second major target would be, "somewhere in the heartland such as Oklahoma City". The actual target was not named. Since the document was not specific as to the actual target and its location I did not predict Oklahoma City... but my prediction of continued terrorist attacks including major attacks upon the "heartland" of America was accurate."

Writing before 9/11, he further predicted the following:

"If these acts of terror do not succeed there will be more bombings, chemical, or biological attacks. They will escalate in the destruction, maiming and killing of men women and especially children. More shootings at shopping centers, restaurants, and schools will occur. As a last resort, if all else fails, the Illuminati are prepared to detonate an atomic weapon in a large American city such as New York, Chicago, or Los Angeles."

http://www.rense.com/general69/coop.htm

That's obviously not a postdiction, that's a clear cut prediction, you're just a disinformation agent.