Skeptic Project

Is this just spam for a hippie organic commune?

No, if it would have been spam I wouldn't have wasted my time actually typing something that resembled cohesive ideas and arguments.

Is there anyone here that actually still believes in experimenting with a RBE or did PJ really really leave you that jaded?

At least look at the stuff he is trying to do. Maybe have some comments about it. Or even ask yourself "Could I help him out?" I know he doesn't just need money. Are there any engineers here? People in school?

What if I don't want to help him? What if I think organic farming is a load of pseudo-scientific hooey? What if I think GM crops are humanity's future for surviving climate change?

I would think RBE is nonsense regardless of who was pushing it. Because that's exactly what it is: nonsense. No one here is interested in "experimenting with an RBE" and if they are please point them out so they can be appropriately ridiculed. Nanos doesn't count because he is crazy.

Whether some dude wants to build a commune or not somewhere and grow his own food is totally irrelevant. Doing that is not "creating an RBE" as the "RBE" would be founded on the safety and existing infrastructure of the state for its existence unless he goes and builds it in Somalia or something.

Well you my friend can keep your money. I am only looking for the people willing to take the risks of actually donating money. No risk No reward. 10 bucks a month...? At the very least this stuff could go to millions of poor farmers around the world. Jesus, how did you guys ever believe in anything about this movement to begin with.

This stuff is so abstract anyway when you say RBE,and I may have a totally different concept of what you are thinking. The ideological scourge of open source?

Are you just pimping yourself out here for money, or what? There are a few RBE believers here but not that many, and I don't think any would blindly donate to "openfarmtech."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV_-ZzYmo3A

Wouldn't a regular log cabin be easier to build and use less wood?

"We built our own tractor because regular tractors don't work well enough, but then our tractor didn't work worth a shit."

Green houses with tall dirt brick walls are also logical, as the sun is always directly overhead, or at least in their case of horrible green house design, the sun is always in the north.

But hey, they're still doing a shit load more than TZM, they're just doing it very poorly.

Stirred up a nest didn't I.

No, I just liked the idea of open source farm technology that is self replicable. I mean if you buy a tractor, vs buying an open source one. Which one is going to be cheaper? And If either of them break down. Which one is going to be easier to Fix? The one with proprietary parts or the one with the parts that can be printed off with digital fabrication?

I don't think organic farming in conjunction with conventional farming is anything bad. Both have benefits that the other doesn't. But when transnational corporations threaten to impose a new kind of serfdom with patented biotech crops, forcing farmers to buy new seed year after year, I get worried.

lol, I guess I am pimping out myself for money. No I just get really fired up when I think of the possible application of this stuff in helping people in parts of the world gain some sort of a balance against free market capitalism.

Gonna fuck off now...

I didn't say this stuff wasn't cool, the ideas are, building stuff is fun, but nothing they created was remotely practical, except the brick making machine, but they were using dirt and clay for the mixture. If I wanted to live in an adobe, I wouldn't build one in northern Missouri, it rains way too much. If I was going to build a green house, it'd allow in sun 360 degrees, not 40 where the sun doesn't even rise into it.

Why would an "open source" tractor be cheaper to buy? Mass production is a way to go cheap, building one by one isn't cheap at all, maybe the parts are but you have to take into account labor as well. Most people aren't capable of building their own tractors, even if the designs are open source, it isn't like downloading software -- though compiling and using Xfree86 is about as difficult.

@Muertos,

I certainly do, but like the post I made a while back, I'd like the site to be more about Alex Jones and so forth, but it's degraded into talking about TZM because so many ex-TZM members came here. Not that it isn't okay to talk about every now and then, but the whole drama of it all is just crazy, when it comes to TZM, I'm more concerned with them duping people.

While the forums have degraded to that, most visitors (who aren't CTs trying to email me) who come here do get helped by the busting of conspiracy theories. I guess the forums seem to be a lot about TZM, but out side of that most people who come to the site aren't coming for TZM, they're coming from AJ articles, 9/11, and NWO related crap.

Out of the non-hate mail I get is always about people being helped by the site, and a few are TZM members, but most aren't, most are ex-truthers, ex-AJ fans, etc.

I think organic farming is something worth talking about though, because people spend a lot of money on something that isn't what they think it is.

P.S. I sent you a PM.

No, but I come from a family of farmers. My cousin works for Monsanto running and managing pockets of genetically engineer crops. The key is making a crop that auto-kills at the end of the season and doesn't produce fertile seeds. It might have a SUPER yield and hold up to every pest in the book, but unless you can afford to plant it and buy the seeds year after year that Monsanto sells you, your between a rock and a hard place. I mean why would a corporation want to own food that can be re-used for free. Monsanto is also in the ongoing process of, buying as many seed companies around the world and patenting the seeds. Once they have the patent, and you want to grow that patented seed...well?

@special ed I dont disagree with anything your saying. But he is going to be dealing with people who do farm/ want to and could very well if not easily learn how to build their own tractors/whatever. Consider the fact that the entire set costs 20k, buy in with others and find some cheap land and you are going to have self sustainable populations making printing off parts for tractors, combines, homes whatever with this set in their "extra time"... which would be after doing the required 3hrs workday. Modding them out and selling them...an entry level farm tractor costs at least a good 15K -30k. Get a tractor that is just as good if not better and there is a market for people to sell all kinds of things when they might not even need money.

What do free technologically empowered people collectively do with their free time in a community like this? What can they produce?

I would argue that mass production is very inefficient, if you press off 100 of them and there is a defect. What do you do? Being able to produce on demand from different inputs is mush more efficient, no need to forecast or hold too much inventory. You have a website up and the customers orders to spec. (http://www.japanfs.org/en_/newsletter/200309-1.html)

All I care about is that whatever people claiming is bullshit or bad science then its being addressed, whether its fake moon landings, 911 CT's, bad RBE systems, conmen, whatever.

Its unimportant what it is to me as long as its gaining public support when its a fail it needs addressing. CT's are a part of the problem, but mainly its plain bad research and claims that are the core problem.