Skeptic Project

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=231&id=276946

Can anyone tell me what he's saying?

He's coming for you, Muertos! Be afraid!

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How nice to see folk talking about me :-)

As I need drying off from the rain outside, I'll take a moment to add some comments:

> user Nanos was suspended for “Basic Non-Interest in TZM direction / Constant Personal
> Attacks on myself / Constant undermining, nonconstructive criticisms,”

Well, I would have loved to give out DVD's, if they had perhaps this on them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0SK_Bto4Ro

And I was waiting to talk about TZM on the thsouands of other forums I'm on, just as soon as they had sorted themselves out and wouldn't look like some kind of joke.

And we all know that any criticisms is nonconstructive..

Now, yes, I did from time to time ask PJ questions, but I think if I had intended them to be personal attacks of the type more commonly assoicated with personal attacks, I would have thrown a bit more mud around in the process..

For example:

> As Peter made money by trading in what was it now, the money markets, perhaps he
> can provide a helpful guide on how we can make money too from using money!

I tend to ask a lot of people I met who live in nice apartments and make a bit of money, just how do they do it!

> Or is that a little secret he wants to keep to himself.

Yes, that is a little dig, to try and encourage him to speak up, hoping the others will step up and say "Hey PJ, you made money out of money ? how ?"

Also, folk might say to themselves "Wait a minute, he thinks money is bad, yet he used it to get ahead, thats sounding a bit like I'm alright Jack screw you.."

> Then there is all those unecessary car journies we take and fill up with fuel.

Yeah, I'm a bit puzzled by that one..

Could anyone shed light on whats wrong with that ?

> I would like to take this time though to mention is that out of the 150+ posts I
> had read of Nanos there are more than the 6 instances of him actually doing this

That seems a fair analysis, I do have trouble biting my tounge..

And me, with the patience of a saint these last 5 years...

Perhaps thats why, 5 years of hoping Fresco would move things along alittle, listen to my advice and suggestions (Some seemed to have made it through..), and yet here we are, moving even slower than I am at things!

A little bit of frustation comes through from time to time.. (Especially as I'm used to the more hurly burly nature of the internet where every other sentance is throwing mud back at someone as you speak..)

> Another matter also concerns the accusation that Nanos was caught on other forums
> “where he has been found to also talk down the movement.” This would necessarily be
> a good reason as well considering most forums that I know of how would do the same.

I'm in 2,000+ forums, have been for oh, 15+ years, TZM is the first forum I've come across to even have a rule like that, let alone implimnent it..

Don't I get brownie points for talking up the movement also, or don't those count ?

No re-balance using my brownie points eh..

> Peter actually stopped Nanos from being banned about 10 times prior by other mods/admins

Name and shame them, who doesn't like me! :-)

Actually, I reckon VTV is probably going to be the only one that didn't ask for me to be removed..

Oh and maybe Gman, he seems a decent enough fellow. (But then he might just be following orders/rules...)

You know, its important not to have favouritism..

(Thats a subtle hint that perhaps the mods should decide PJ should be banned..)

> I assumed he would "come around" - he didn’t.

You know, I kept thinking the same of PJ :-)

Aren't we a couple of silly old fools eh.. :-)

> made a hobby to attack me.

Nope, I just saw him around from time to time and being my usual chatting self asked questions, with that logic I must attack just about everyone as I'm always asking folk questions and offering suggestions, its not you specifically PJ :-)

> Everything was a blanket criticism of some illusionist incompetency that went undefined.

Yes, PJ is not incompetant...

If he was, he wouldn't have that nice apartment now would he..

But, as far as changing the world with a movement, well, he's not good at that job and if he is serious about it, he should hire someone else to do it. (Just like he hires Tanktop to do admin work on the website.)

> But I let him stay... until he started to follow me around the forum making snide,
> deliberately agitating remarks about my "nice apartment" and my "trading" or the DVDs

He followed me around!

I guess he isn't used to someone that uses forums a lot and reads plenty, it might appear I was following him around, but I wasn't, it was just a coincidence.

Bit like every time PJ just about came on IRC, there I was..

I was already there!

I didn't follow him there..

Just a touch of paranoia there..

But then, PJ doesn't use forums much at all does he ?

Like Fresco, I don't think he really understands the internet, especially what forums, IRC/etc. are actually for, or how to use them.

So I can perhaps understand how he might see me like he does.

What I really want to do is, who pays the rent for his 'nice apartment', him or his brother ?

Why doesn't he get a mortgage ?

Why are other TZM members homeless and yet PJ lives in a 'nice apartment', what is he doing to help his fellow members ?

> essentially anything he could ever find to attack or criticize me about; he jumped on it

Criticize yes, I jumped on everyone, its what I do, I ask awkward questions, point out errors..

> especially the issue of my supposed financial position and the idea that I
> am exploitative, etc.

Being that him himself said he spends $1,800 a month on the website, he must have a good finanical position to afford that, so no supposing about it..

Maybe he didn't make money on the money market, maybe he lost it!

Maybe if he did, he should tell us his experiences and save us from the same mistakes..

Nothing wrong so much with being exploitative, but the rest of us would like the secret so we too can have a nice apartment!

> Frankly, I think it was rooted in a jealous immaturity.

No, I just want to know how to not be poor anymore!

And I'm sure everyone else would too..

> in the end, it was the fact that Nanos got others to think this way as well with
> his prolific posting

Shock horror!

Really, I had began to brainwash people ?

Is that why everyones beating down my door to help me now...

> like a cancer cell and I refuse to let such social pathogens invade and hurt TZM’s
> growing culture.

You've cut out the cancer, but for some reason the same issues keep coming up time and again by newbies, folk who don't even know who I am!

Now you've got no one to blame...

Yes, thats right, the reason TZM failed is because Nanos kept telling everyone to go out and get a job...

> he essentially was a troll and began to harass PJ about specific’s that had no
> relevancy to the content of what he posts.

Its of no relevant whatsoever how PJ makes his money, nor the other wealthy people on the forum, its not like we need money to build anything is it now...

What next, asking people their skills, in case we need a plumber..

Then there are the other banned people, far better behaved than I..

I guess the trick is to not post very often and then no one notices you...

(And not that isn't a reference to me hiding out on the forum, I got banned and like a good little boy I won't be going back, not unless they unban me :-) its a reference to others who speak just as I do, but you don't see them around so much, so probably PJ doesn't even read their posts..)

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> Talon Silvercloud said:
>
> I'm on another form, and they have very strict rules regarding language and what
> constitutes flaming. I ended up receiving a major warning today, the first I've ever
> had on a forum ever.

>> Alternately, any statement that implies that the only way someone could disagree with
>> you is because they don't understand you/can't read properly is likewise not allowed."

> the mod informed me that it is a very common rule on all kinds of forums. Huh?

Getting common nowdays...

Years ago we didn't have complete morons running forums, now anyone can step and take the job on without a minutes experience in the job and boss folk around..

Its also a common thing in any organisation for the rules to increase in number as time goes on..

(I hope my rules stay the same, they are simply something like 'common sense rules apply')

I know, I just wanted to repeat myself for any newcomers who might think of me as the spawn of the devil. (Actually, I once had a well known local psychic give me a free reading, only things didn't quite go so well, as my friend whose sister it was, proclaimed I was the devil in flesh and to bannish me forever from his house! naturally that put a slight dampner on the evening as I was going to ask her out..)

In regards to a post made by the very same user known as That Jerk Matt which was mentioned before he basically starts ridiculing a post that franklee had made where later on he states that “IM A COLLECTOR OF FUCKING MORONS. I HAVE ABOUT 100 FIGURINES, AND OTHER COLLECTIBLES SO FAR, AS WELL AS HUNDREDS OF IMAGES ON MY COMPUTER.” However this is again one user and the same user being made… however they do allow and at times encourage his behavior. If you look at all the posts he has made towards TZM you will see that nobody seems to try and direct his attention to the issues being raised in the forum. However these are not the only posts being made that are blatantly immature and trollish in nature. One post which was made towards myself was by Edward Scissorhands saying that “This dumb fuck who makes youtube videos with a blue glow in the dark dildo microphone thinks he can do what scientists havent managed to do for erm a century.”

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I fucking lol'd.

Voice of Reason is a racist who made up a fake person on Youtube to cover up his racism. Who cares if he thinks we're immature.

OOOOOOOH WOW

Peter says:

In fact I met [Ed] in London after a lecture in passing and the VERY first thing he did was attack me on the 911 issue - this after a 4 hour lecture/talk about TZM... that is all he could come up with… pointless.

Peter is either a liar or being an idiot again.

At that time I SUPPORTED the Movement and the Venus Project something which could in fact be verified by Azzy if he bothered to check with him. Yet here Peter makes out that I was against the Movement the entire time and came along just to attack him on 911!

My main concern at the time was what it always was, that conspiracy theories were going to discredit anything good about the Venus Project. I wanted to ask him directly about 9/11 because 1. its my main subject and 2. because I wanted to phrase it specifically.

The question I asked him was...

---------"If someone could prove to YOUR satisfaction that most of the claims in the film weren't true would you remove the film and official distance yourself from the claims made?" ---------

I don't remember getting an answer but I do remember being dissatisfied with it, this is because Peter never gives straight answers.

I also did a podcast with a moderator (psychspy) and a friend which promoted the Zeitgeist Movement. It wasn't overt at all but in the first episode for example all our questions came from the Zeitgeist Movement forum.

And yet... I never did anything positive for the Movement at all. Right. Whatever you say Peter, Voice of Reason! Whatever you say!

I don't see why the goofball doesn't just register an account here. It isn't like posting elsewhere is saving him from being endlessly ridiculed.

What, are we gonna beat him up with text?

Why would you be afraid of a message board?

> this is because Peter never gives straight answers.

Rarely, very rarely I found.

Most of the time he acts just like politicans I know, which is why I said to him, he talks like one, always avoiding answering a simple question, well, practically always..

I watched out new Prime Minister on TV the other day being asked difficult questions, and the other people booing whenever he avoided answering them, it didn't take him long to figure out he had better actually answer them..

After all, PJ managed to answer some of my questions early on in TZM days. (Such as, how much does hosting cost you, PJ answers $1,800 a month.)

I wanted to know, how much of that is bandwidth costs, how much is server rental, how much does your staff (tanktop.) get paid out of that, but suddenly he didn't want to answer that one..

Why on earth not!

All I wanted to do was to help him figure out how to save money!

Its like everything about him has got to be a secret..

I think he has perhaps just spent too long in the company of people who act like that and he is stuck like it, I bet if his brother asks him what he wants for tea he will reply that the answer is self evident..

I think he has perhaps just spent too long in the company of people who act like that and he is stuck like it, I bet if his brother asks him what he wants for tea he will reply that the answer is self evident..

Yea, I think its amazing to know how Peter really acts and then go watch all the places in Zeitgeist 1 and Addendum where he bullshits about how great it is to be proven wrong and the scientific method and rationality and all this good stuff but then behaves completely counter to all of it.

But thats one of the main things that pisses me off about conspiracy theorists and "woo" promoters, they really love to believe they are being scientific and skeptical.

"Its a shame we had to go to request account status for this forum as I think more ZG members would come here and debate."

If bkyle and Pendrokar are examples of how Zeitgeiters debate, I'm not interested.

Such as, how much does hosting cost you, PJ answers $1,800 a month.

Is it just me or does this sound like a completely unreasonable amount of money?

TZM is hosted on godaddy, so it's probably more like $18.00 a month. It's a damn Webforum, not a video hosting platform.