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scitops | Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 22:00 |
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Level: 4 CS Original | While I know the hyperinflation craze isn't necessarily a conspiracy theory, though it is promoted by many nwo believers, is there a site that actually exposes the Doug Casey's, Peter Schiff's and others who espouse this. The hyperinflation cult has been around since the 1970s, but there is little info online trying to debunk it. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 22:21 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | Not that I know of, unfortunately, but if you find anything I'd be interested in seeing it. I made a blog post about it some time ago: http://conspiracyscience.com/blog/2009/09/17/economic-collapse-really-is-coming-soon/ | |||||
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scitops | Posted: Oct 19, 2009 - 22:35 |
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Level: 4 CS Original | Many of those people like Casey will respond that they realized gold was going to go down so they told they're followers to dump gold. I've never seen any proof that they actually said that, and from the dates on those articles, they were at least teliing them to buy gold after it had fallen from its then $850 record. Those who bought gold in 1981 and held it would need gold to more than double in price just to break even. Those who bought silver at it's all time record ($41) are just screwed. | |||||
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casey | Posted: Oct 26, 2009 - 21:29 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | Investor Sounds Alarm on Hyperinflation. http://www.personalliberty.com/preserving-wealth/investor-sounds-alarm-on-hyperinflation/ | |||||
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casey | Posted: Oct 26, 2009 - 21:36 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | Time Magazine's Justin Fox: "Some Financial Market Conspiracies Are Real" http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/09/calm-level-headed-thinking-about.html | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Oct 27, 2009 - 19:55 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | Refer to my blog post linked above, casey, it's more the of same stuff. | |||||
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casey | Posted: Oct 28, 2009 - 07:12 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | I know you had covered some of this in your link. I mainly posted the entire washington blog link up so it could be viewed in its entire form. How Judges Look at Conspiracy Theories is the most pertinent part and should be read by all so we can remain objective. | |||||
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scitops | Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 00:55 |
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Level: 4 CS Original | It seems that there is a prediction for hyperinflation by the end of the week by one Jim Sinclair. He predicted hyperinflation would hit the United States by Nov. 6-7th. I first heard of Sinclair from my former financial advisor. He totally believed Sinclair, and rather than pay down his mortgage he put most of his money in silver, believing the death of the dollar is upon us. I bought it, up to a point, and purchased some extra food (maybe a months worth) but never was totally sold on it. I later actually read Sinclair's site, and found his writing laughable. I also found out he has been predicting hyperinflation for over 30 years. Anyway baring some collapse by Saturday, I probably will give my advisor a call and ask if he still believes this guy and his nonsense. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Nov 06, 2009 - 09:38 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | @scitops, | |||||
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scitops | Posted: Nov 08, 2009 - 01:38 |
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Nov 08, 2009 - 17:53 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | @scitops, http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/predictions/view/15/dollar-will-implode/</p> Thanks for your contribution. | |||||
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scitops | Posted: Nov 09, 2009 - 21:05 |
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Level: 4 CS Original | If I had time I would create my own site to debunk the hyperinflation bunk that is being spread by the doomsayers and commodity speculators. There are 50 sites for every one that even remotely attempts to debunk it. The ones that try to debunk it usually just try to discredit one doomsayer, while not really trying to discredit the idea that hyperinflation is around the corner. I have to wonder why the Alex Jones crowd loves Jim Rogers, the so called "Legendary investor" and dollar bear? Rogers was once a partner with George Soros, a man who is considered the face of evil by the Truther movement. Usually any kind of association with anybody remotely considered evil is enough to label you an NWOer. As for my former advisor, I called him and despite Sinclair's prediction of a dollar collapse failing to materialize, he firmly believes it is just around the corner. I found a few more predictions from one Bob Moriarty, who founded 321gold.com. At the end of 2008 he claimed that by the end of the 1st quarter, we would have food riots, by the end of summer the US will default, and the US government will not exist in its current form by the end of 2009 (this one still has a chance). You can read a lot of his nonsense at: http://www.theaureport.com/pub/na/1991 | |||||
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Que | Posted: Nov 15, 2009 - 17:56 |
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Level: 0 CS Original | www.survivethecrisis.com How To Survive The Coming Economic Crisis And Prosper In The Process a paper submitted to The Positive Deviant Network March 1, 2007 | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Nov 19, 2009 - 20:25 |
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Level: 3 CS Original | I've noticed that many of these economic doomsday forecasters, if you check into their writings and interviews online, cite something called "Austrian economics" as a source for their predictions. (Examples: Charles Goyette, Peter Schiff, Marc Faber, Ron Paul and Jim Rogers.) Austrianists seem emotionally committed to condemning the U.S. to a hyperinflationary collapse as punishment for not following their ideology, even though the economy has managed well enough without their ideas since the Great Depression. And Austrianists have used this scare tactic for generations. You can read Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged" as an example of Austrianist doomsday porn from the 1950's. Yet these obsessives keep getting on mainstream business shows like on CNBC, and nobody holds them to account for their failed predictions. Go figure. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Nov 19, 2009 - 23:25 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | Letting the market correct itself after its collapse in 1929 spearheaded the Great Depression, but today Austrian economists claim the opposite, that apparently Hoover was really doing too much or something similar, it's the same sort of revisionist bullshit that I see from people like Ron Paul and his idiotic followers like Alex Jones who can make things up and select what works in order for them to be always right. Now that's a hell of a run on sentence. | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Nov 20, 2009 - 08:31 |
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Level: 3 CS Original | How about this for cognitive dissonance: Libertarians like Ron Paul want to privatize as many of the functions of government as possible, yet they complain about the allegedly privately owned Federal Reserve. Indeed, Paul wants to violate the Fed owners' property rights by abolishing it. | |||||
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scitops | Posted: Nov 22, 2009 - 03:15 |
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Level: 4 CS Original | Austrian economics is bullshit similar to creation science and scientology. However it should be noted that many non-Austrian "economists" are not anymore trustworthy (watch CNBC or Yahoo’s Tech Ticker if you know what I mean). My family is made up of die hard investors, and the secret to good investing is sticking with the investment over a long period and making sure it is diversified (buying shares from abroad). A good mutual fund is the best place to park ones money. People like Warren Buffett didn't get rich listening to bozos like Jim Rogers and Charles Goyette. However Peter Schiff and Marc Faber are getting rich because people are stupid enough to buy their $200 investment letters and put their money in their lousy brokerages. Not that Schiff and Faber's money is going to mean anything when it costs $10 million to buy a loaf of bread, nor will there gold be of any use when hungry rioters break into their homes to steal whatever food they can find. Read this http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=219694 and tell me you don’t feel sorry for those two children. If their parents follow the advice given to them on that message board rather than a good mutual fund, they’ll get stuck with an investment that historically gets a worse return than t-bills, something Austrian economists refer to as a junk investment. I would also point out that the argument the Federal Reserve is a private bank is false. The Federal Reserve is private in the same way the post office is private. | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Nov 22, 2009 - 10:46 |
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Level: 3 CS Original | We really should call these guys "Amish economists," because their world view reveals a nostalgic past-orientation. (Some of the guys who write for the Mises.org website even admire the antebellum American South. I guess they feel they would have gotten their gold money's worth for the slave labor it could buy.) For example, they say things like how the dollar has allegedly lost "ninety-six percent of its value," or whatever figure they pull out of their ass, since the founding of the Federal Reserve System in 1913. Well, yeah, I can see why that would bother someone who lives like people did in 1913 and still orders stuff out of the 1913 Sears catalog. But in the world the rest of us live in, we've gotten vastly wealthier in real terms since 1913. We just use dollars as an arbitrary means of keeping score. Most of the goods and services available today didn't even exist as ideas in 1913. The richest man in the world in 1913 couldn't have bought a jet trip to Australia, a computer or a modern diagnosis and treatment for his cardiovascular problems for all the gold on the planet. Yet today a waitress's tip money can buy monthly prescriptions for generic drugs like statins which increase healthy life expectancy. Would Goyette, Schiff, etc. want to live in 1913, when they had "real money"? Or would they rather live today with our fiat money and the far better quality of life it can buy? | |||||
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scitops | Posted: Nov 22, 2009 - 15:08 |
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Level: 4 CS Original | I suppose they would argue we would have an even higher standard of living. The marketing copy of Schiff's father's book The Biggest Con stated, "It will convince you that most American ‘economists' don't know what they are talking about - which is why this country is in such deep economic and financial trouble. It provides irrefutable proof of how the federal government has been continually undermining the American economy and forcing a lower standard of living on us all." Of course that was written in 1977. http://erictyson.com/articles/20090213</p> The gold standard crowd reminds me of the organic food crowd. They seem to think older is better when the truth is organic food was riddled with disease. In fact it isn't surprising that most gold bugs are big on organic food. That is strange considering libertarians could be celebrating genetically modified food is a free market innovation (which it is ). | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Nov 22, 2009 - 19:40 |
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Level: 3 CS Original | "In fact it isn't surprising that most gold bugs are big on organic food. That is strange considering libertarians could be celebrating genetically modified food is a free market innovation (which it is )." That sounds more than strange because libertarian websites like Reason and the Cato Institute have published dozens of articles about the wonders of pesticides and the irrationality of fearing them in our food supply. You'd almost get the impression from those articles that libertarians want to consume bug spray as a salad dressing: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=site%3Awww.reason.com+pesticide&aq=f&oq=&aqi= http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Awww.cato.org+pesticide&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Nov 22, 2009 - 19:57 |
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Level: 3 CS Original | "I suppose they would argue we would have an even higher standard of living." I get the impression that the Austrianists don't really value affluence as the goal of an economy. Their goals of a stable "hard money" system and a nearly nonexistent government can exist in a generally low standard of living, as we've seen historically in many societies. | |||||
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scitops | Posted: Nov 22, 2009 - 20:35 |
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Level: 4 CS Original | Alex Jones along with most Ron Paul supporters I know believe gm foods are designed to reduce your life. They seem to think you'll never need to see a doctor again if you just ate organic all the time. | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Nov 23, 2009 - 17:00 |
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Level: 3 CS Original | Many leftists kooks like the Alternet crowd share this food purity fetish. Only they go further: Americans don't eat right, don't fuck right, have "false consciousness," profess the "wrong" beliefs about god, etc. Conservatives have their faults, but they seem less inclined to engage in lifestyle snobbery and nannyism than so-called progressives. | |||||
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scitops | Posted: Nov 24, 2009 - 21:27 |
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Level: 4 CS Original | The hyperinflationists seem to have backtracked on their predictions. Rather than hitting us by the end of 2009, our impending economic doom will be in 1-3 years (maybe even longer). Earlier this year, Jim Rogers, claimed we would have a currency crisis in November, however later he later said we would have one in November and if didn't happen then we would eventually have one. Gary North said by the end of the year malls would become ghost towns and we would have a massive amount chain restaurants going under (he also said the Y2K bug would destroy us after predicting hospitals would not have enough space because of the AIDS epidemic by 1992) is claiming that the ghost town thing will have to wait another year and that the hyperinflation might be more like a 10% inflation rate similar to what happened in 1979 (bad but certainly not Weimar Germany bad). Even Peter Schiff seems to think we'll have to wait another three years to pay $10 million for a loaf of bread. The only one being consistant is Marc Faber who believes gold will absolutely, positively, 100% not fall below $1,000 although he believes it could fall back around $800. Personally I have better things to do than waste my life and my money worrying and preparing for a crisis that has been predicted to happen for generations but never shows up. | |||||
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Edward L Winston | Posted: Nov 24, 2009 - 22:11 |
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President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: porn star and five-time ultimate smackdown wrestling champion! Level: 150 CS Original | Typically when the United States ends a war, such as in Vietnam, we do experience inflation, so at the end of Iraq (or at least it winding down) coming within the next few years, we could have a similar situation and I'm honestly prepared for it -- I mean, I don't have any investments, except my house, but I should probably say "I'm honestly not worried and I don't give a shit" | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Nov 24, 2009 - 22:58 |
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Level: 3 CS Original | "Personally I have better things to do than waste my life and my money worrying and preparing for a crisis that has been predicted to happen for generations but never shows up." Well, yeah. Austrianists and similar economic doomsayers like Gerald Celente and Lyndon LaRouche remind me of the christians who keep saying that we live in "the last days" and expect to get raptured in their lifetimes. Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye have spent decades hustling this nonsense, and they've both reached their 80's without seeing even one of their toenails snatched up into heaven. I'd like to know of at least one Austrianist who writes that he thinks the economy will muddle through without any disaster. But I suspect they've all committed themselves to economic doom as a strategy to try to get heard in a noisy and competitive media environment. | |||||
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scitops | Posted: Nov 24, 2009 - 23:27 |
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Level: 4 CS Original | Mike Shedlock, or Mish is sort of Austrian, and doesn't believe in hyperinflation. He thinks the economy will have a WW shaped recovery where we slip in and out of recession for the next few years before recovering. He wants to abolish the Fed and supports "hard money". He is an avid Ron Paul supporter. The Peter Schiff crowd doesn't like him because Mish pointed out that outside of the housing bubble, Schiff is rarely right about anything. Strangely though, Mish is backing Schiff in his campaign for senate. | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Nov 25, 2009 - 08:45 |
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Level: 3 CS Original | I wonder if these Austrianists have considered the possibility that abolishing the Fed (1) wouldn't really solve the problems we face, and (2) might in fact make them worse. The Austrianists' goals -- "hard money" and minimal government -- could easily exist in the context of a greatly reduced and stagnant economy. Their policies, if enacted, might even cause or accelerate the collapse to that state. | |||||
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scitops | Posted: Nov 28, 2009 - 00:29 |
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Level: 4 CS Original | Hmmm, I finally found out what an Austrian would say about our prosperity since the Federal Reserve’s creation. I met one while volunteering at a soup kitchen. Actually he wasn’t a true Austrian, he had read a lot of books by Austrians along with a lot of Alex Jones among other things. He said the prosperity you mentioned was phony and would eventually collapse. Only when we back our money with gold can we be truly prosperous. He believed the bankers were going to pull the plug on the United States and make us their slaves. They were going to cause the dollar to collapse, and then seize our property. But anyway, that's the answer to your question about what Austrians think of our prosperity. In fact Peter Schiff often says the nation's economy is phony (how can an economy be phony). In fact he calls everything phony that contradicts him such as good economic data, markets that do the opposite of what he predicts they will, and history that doesn't support his view. | |||||
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advancedatheist | Posted: Nov 28, 2009 - 09:01 |
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Level: 3 CS Original | I work for an Arizona business man who owns several million dollars' worth of real estate. He tells me that inflation has actually helped him in the past by appreciating the nominal worth of his assets and making it easier to pay back the money he borrowed to buy them. How did he mysteriously acquire all this wealth in a fiat system? Certainly not by running a bank or by putting his money into gold. BTW, how would bankers benefit by inflating the currency any way? Inflation allows debtors to pay back their loans with depreciated dollars, so don't bankers screw themselves by supporting inflationary policies? If anything, we should thank these bankers for the indirect subsidy they've given us by lending us money and then discounting the value of the loans through inflation. | |||||
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