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EdPosted: Jun 24, 2010 - 08:55
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I recently got into a LENGTHY debate with Voice of Reason on youtube Private Messages. I will be posting our correspondence in the link below. Please go there to read more.

I am sorry for not posting it here but this forum has very difficult formatting features that would have taken me forever with the amount I wanted to do to these posts. Also I guess the JREF has a wider audience and I gave a link to Conspiracy Science too.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=178882

Feel free to post your thoughts here.

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NanosPosted: Jun 24, 2010 - 09:17
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You know that forum is the place where PJ's last name was mentioned years ago when his, and there was a long debate about his work back then. (It might be worth looking at that thread if you haven't seen it before..)

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=85264

Amusing that someone so keen on his personal safety never bothered to ask (Or maybe he did ask and they said no!) that particular forum to remove mention of his last name, perhaps a lesson on the importance of googling yourself :-)

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EdPosted: Jun 24, 2010 - 09:31
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I didnt notice that! I never read that entire thread before since it was so ridiculously long.

BTW my first reply to VoiceOfReason has been posted.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=6063866#post6063866

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anticultistPosted: Jun 24, 2010 - 09:57
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Win reply Ed, good work, please keep that guy in check he is such a lying douchebag.

Did you see his racist behaviour pointed out in the video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzDdwZO8hL4

And then he was pulled up with the follwing about his transparent defense In the comments on the channel at the bottom:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Anon2AllofUs</p>

Voiceofreason:

"Even if it was me, that comment was made about two years ago, my views two years ago are not the same views I hold now."

Anon2allofus:

So it was you then because those were the views you held two years ago and you made the comment

Voiceofreason:
"the plentyoffish account is about 3 years old as well. I had completely forgotten about it until Keith brought it up."

Anon2allofus:
You even know the account more evidence its you

voiceofreason:
"Oh my, he exposed me by using circumstantial evidence and simply insisted it was me."

Anon2allofus
Clearly it is you, your own comments validate it. You are exposing yourself as a rascist. You have just had an account banned for muslim hating. thats another form of racism.

That Voiceofreason is possibly one of the biggest outspoken liars on youtube right now, as well as being the most ignorant defender of fringe CT mentality.

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EdPosted: Jun 24, 2010 - 10:06
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Thanks,

And yes I know that video, that's where our debate started! :) Scroll down in that video to read all our comments if you like.

And yes... he is rather annoying I have to write a response to his next post which basically ignored everything I said. Surprise...

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MuertosPosted: Jun 24, 2010 - 17:16
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Good work Ed. I'm curious to see his reply to your pretty comprehensive and well-sourced responses to his vague statements.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jun 24, 2010 - 17:42
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>> I'm curious to see his reply to your pretty comprehensive and well-sourced responses to his vague statements.

"The movies aren't the movement."

It's sort of like TZM's own version of "Kevin Bacon was not in Footloose."

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EdPosted: Jun 24, 2010 - 18:00
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Actually he is in even more denial that that imo.

I'll probably have time to have it up tomorrow

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anticultistPosted: Jun 24, 2010 - 18:19
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He is spamming ang trolling that anon2 account front page with lots of newly created youtube accounts, they keep blocking him but he keeps returning with new ones and spamming. The guys a fucking idiot.

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EdPosted: Jun 24, 2010 - 19:08
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I just found a lot more old ZG posts by him proving he was a truther I knew he was.

He even denied pictures of WTC7 were of WTC7 because he did not want to accept that debris hit it, over and over and over again. I'll be making a list and checking it twice to shove in his face, im sure he'll manage to peddle away and move his goal posts somehow though.

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anticultistPosted: Jun 24, 2010 - 19:24
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hah that should be fun to read, he makes out like he isnt a truther and has not researched it or even wants to. Of course he will lie and evade it, but thats his MO Lie when exposed.

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EdPosted: Jun 27, 2010 - 18:15
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Just posted Voice of Reasons reply...

My reply to him will be up shortly I just have to format it.

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EdPosted: Jun 27, 2010 - 18:58
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Ok my EPIC LONG reply is up:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=6073713#post6073713

Tell me if the links don't work.

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anticultistPosted: Jun 27, 2010 - 19:03
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Below is a quote from voiceoftreason I find interesting of him to say about Ruppert

Now if he deliberately ignores all the points made against him and he still purports these claims then he is considered not being credible.

Funny because this is exactly what voiceoftreason does, he denies everything said about him and his claims and continues on, this makes him not credible.

Also this:

As far as Michael Rupert being in Zeitgeist 3... can you actually provide a source for that claim? As far as I remember that he hasn't released any actual information on Zeitgeist 3 other than a few tidbits here and there. None of them regarded Michael Rupert.

Theres a whle thread about it, we have it linked in here too.

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EdPosted: Jun 27, 2010 - 19:10
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I dont think Peter actually outright said in that thread that Ruppert was going to be in ZG3 it was just a member wanting him to use him, as far as I remember? That's why I didnt cite that thread. Anyway, I found an exact quote from Peter saying Ruppert was going to be in his new film. :)

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anticultistPosted: Jun 27, 2010 - 19:16
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yeah Ive seen it before, I knew Peter had said it outright somewhere.

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Agent MattPosted: Jun 27, 2010 - 19:24
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Ruppert has the most expensive CT site ever.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jun 27, 2010 - 19:28
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The more animated gifs and off-beat color patterns, the more likely a site is to contain THE TRUTH.

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anticultistPosted: Jun 27, 2010 - 19:51
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keep it up Ed good work.

I like how every argument he ever makes he attempts to claim logical fallacy arguments are being used, but not only does he use them out of context but he drops them to sound authoratative which just makes him look retarded.

I also love how he switches stance every other paragraph just so he can argue he is right, even if what he is saying is the exact oppposite to what he said previously, thereby making him look like a person who makes shit up mid breath.

Conclusion
voiceoftreason is thick as two short planks, a liar, and intentionally argumentative because he believes he is smarter than everyone he talks to.

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EdPosted: Jun 28, 2010 - 09:03
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Thanks for the support :)

Any chance this could be moved to the ZGM section? I forgot to select that option when I made the thread :)

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The Burger KingPosted: Jun 29, 2010 - 12:15
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To be honest before CS i had no clue who Alex Jones is, and I have no clue who Ruppert is. I think the only conspiracy theorist person i knew of before peter Merola is William Cooper.

wouldn't it be funny if Peter Merola included conspiracy science in his movie LOL

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