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Paradise or Oblivion (2012) 45 minutes
Tags: jacque fresco, roxanne meadows, peter joseph merola, venus project, zeitgeist [ Add Tags ]
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| anticultist | Posted: Nov 05, 2012 - 14:16 |
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 Brainwashing you for money Level: 15 CS Original | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2355775/ A brief synopsis of it here with reviews. And then a pre release version of what is coming in it here [a roxeanne meadows production] <-- Bill should have something to say about this: http://movie25.com/movies/paradise-or-oblivion-2012.html Looks like a total rehash of everything they have ever said once again, only with new images and sound track. I have to wonder if these two ever get bored of having the same conversation about the same ridiculous claims. They should at least understand how other people have gotten sick to death of hearing it and quit repeating themselves at every opportunity. | |||||
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| The Burger King | Posted: Nov 06, 2012 - 07:37 |
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 I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me? Level: 5 CS Original | I watched paradise or oblivion but I do not remember a lot of watch I watched. One good aspect of the movie is that it was short as compared to TZM conspiracy pack. Again I really did appreciate how short the movie is so I was able to sit down and watch the whole thing. I skimmed through the movie again and there were conspiracy oriented aspects that for example a few "bad" people are intentional causing havoc within our current economic system (check 23:00 starts when they say global elite). Then they ramble on about how people do not have choice, how the current system cannot meet every bodies needs, work is bad for you (check 26:00). They also promote new scfi technology without actually showing real world examples of it matter in fact they show zero real world example of things they made that may possibly be in there new RBE world. Make a claim that our system is failing giving very vague anecdotal evidence as well as being completely one sided (check 3:30). Money is worth less, robots will replace people, and they explain it but they don't offer ideas that may be opposing to money is bad or robots will replace a people (check 15:00). In short at best this is a science fiction film (also said in reviews on this movie on imbd.com), not so much conspiracy orientated besides pushing there agenda by saying a few people are out to control the masses. Paradise or Oblivion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KphWsnhZ4Ag Jim Jesus suggested TVP ripped a lot from a book titled "Utopia or Oblivion: The Prospects for Humanity [Paperback]" by R. Buckminster Fuller. The Venus Projects New Movie "Paradise or Oblivion" http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/5324/the-venus-projects-new-movie-paradise-or-oblivion/#reply-9047a527 Just to add More: After following all the TVP lectures and creating my RBE criteria list I have to say there trying to throw darts at a board and see what sticks or there trying to propose ideas that are somewhat agreeable to somebody and then hook them into there group. These people twist things around for instance they quote Einstein a lot and praise him among other people yet they have said in the past that Scientists are not really scientist as these are the same scientist who create the atom bomb, yes the very guy they quote mine they also portray as a bad guy as well. They use these people as bate to get people hooked onto there ideology then they do and say the complete opposite. TVP and TZM do this a lot they went to such extent for example to create a list which lists famous people who have attended there lectures. There trying to gain more credibility to the outside population by claiming that particular famous people are members, as the only evidence we're given is that a famous person attended some TZM or TVP function therefore the TVP and TZM rational is they must be members. Just because someone attends a function doesn't mean they are a member that's completely dishonest as well as groups like Scientology do the same thing as this as well. Although TZM and TVP numbers are going away I still see extreme cognitive dissonance within these two groups. Just because you may agree with portions of what they say does not mean everything coming from a group is right, accurate, based on science etc... I'd say TVP and TZM is a big time waster and would advise a person to stay away and not drink the koolaid. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX References: TZM and celebrities https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LohxwVqGNfoRhwHxjsLkYKYOUbqHvYzO1oVNAHlBaG0/edit?pli=1#heading=h.4h5ixplpsb2m
TZM and the scientists https://docs.google.com/document/d/129i5yXquSXLthWn74cdxnrrX07R9VTPVtJZp_QNP2Ok/edit?pli=1
TZM and the media https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bM3YWpXDKAbOMd1Ehwoy2xORTGw8ru2OvneYCFPIakc/edit?pli=1#
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| anticultist | Posted: Nov 06, 2012 - 15:26 |
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Brainwashing you for money Level: 15 CS Original | You know that is not the complete movie right Bill ? It is just a prelude documentary Roxanne made for any new people to get to know what they have planned as content or ideology for the movie. These people twist things around for instance they quote Einstein a lot and praise him among other people yet they have said in the past that Scientists are not really scientist as these are the same scientist who create the atom bomb, yes the very guy they quote mine they also portray as a bad guy as well. ^^ Good point made and shows the level of hypocrisy they utilise to hook non critical thinking peoples attention and membership. Also the whole famous people thing wreaks of a money racket. | |||||
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| The Burger King | Posted: Nov 06, 2012 - 18:11 |
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me? Level: 5 CS Original | Actually I was under the impression that this was a documentary (which this isn't really a documentary more like scfi flick) done by a outside group interested in TVP, at least that's what Roxanne portrayed it as (I could be remembering it wrong though). I know they use this movie as a way to explain TVP that does not have to incorporate using TZM videos. Had no clue from what I see from the links that Roxanne was in complete control in the process of making this movie. I googled and found that "paradise or oblivion" has a website dedicated to it. It's possible Roxanne is trying to capitalize on the documentary market like Peter is trying to do (gaining a fan base which would incorporate consistent source of funds). If this is a prelude to the bigger movie than my guess as to what the big budget movie incorporating the info I heard throughout the lectures, they want this movie to be learning and action flick thing. http://www.paradiseoroblivion.com/ One thing I do not get about making the big budget movie is if we keep in mind the 3 phases to make a RBE, the big budget movie is suppose to be made in phase 2, in phase 3 that's when TVP is actually suppose to build the test cities and amusement park to show off what they can do. To me in doesn't make sense to make a big budget multimillion dollar movie when they have nothing, phase 3 should be phase 1. Phase 2 which is to raise awareness would stay the same then phase 3 would be making a multimillion dollar big budget movie. Why would someone promote something that's not even being tested yet... Investors invest in things that are proven not on things that have not proved themselves yet. TVP tries to come off that it's based on science but it's really delving into being unproven science which leads to TVP being labeled under Pseudoscience. Me and another person were discussing TVP being Pseudoscience and I have come to the conclusion that it is more accurately defined as being Pseudoscience (TZM is still based and fueled by conspiracy theory type thinking though), although TVP still uses conspiracies to justify and push there cause. On SP we have often discussed TZM and TVP together and often labeled them as conspiracy oriented groups with flawed economic understandings but since the split I think we can label TZM a conspiracy theory orientated group and TVP Pseudoscientific oriented group. The conspiracy theory loonacy that Peter Joseph/TZM believed in often overshadowed the other glaring flaws of TVP being Pseudoscientific. So is someone does not believe in conspiracy theory's loonacy, well then they can believe in Pseudoscience within TVP because it is the lesser of the two evils. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX References: The 3 phases of TVP to start creating a RBE http://www.thevenusproject.com/en/the-venus-project/aims-a-proposals
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