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GreedoPosted: Aug 07, 2011 - 13:24
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2N14Zv7omE&feature=related

Yeah... just... wtf.

Have you guys encountered a lot of these CTers?

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anticultistPosted: Aug 07, 2011 - 13:49
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Yeah there was a dude called Frankie who used to post on the zeitgeist forum and he was into all this hidden symbolism stuff, he exposed me to this kubrick CT stuff, if you don't have a good critical thinking ability it might easily fool you. The thing is though it takes all the teenage creepiness of the whole masked balls and secret groups and then multiplies it by a thousand and embelishes it with unsubstantiated claims, speculation and hearsay. Then it finalises it all with a conclusion that is meant to scare the shit out the viewer into believing there are sex cults, taking children, prostitutes, young boys, giving everyone drugs and having sex abuse parties with them, sharing them among all the rich, famous and royalty, and then advertising it everywhere in their tv shows, movies, radio, culture.

Apparently we are supposed to beleive this is normal behaviour for everyone of them.

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GreedoPosted: Aug 07, 2011 - 14:08
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Yeah, all that hidden symbolism stuff can really fool someone with less critical thinking skills...

Where did this CT even start? Must have been in conjunction with the moon hoax BS.

but it really becomes quite clear that some of these CTers really can't think at all.

look:

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/images/features/hhg/clockwork/CW74.jpg</p>

Some CTer went "OOh look at the back wall!!!1!"

To anyone with half a brain, it's obvious there once was a roof.

To the paranoid CTer, it's the eye of providence.

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anticultistPosted: Aug 07, 2011 - 14:13
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Your image link doesn't work.

I just LOL'd at his pedo bear claim in part 2of the youtube video hahaha

He is obviously clueless to 4chan and /b/

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GreedoPosted: Aug 07, 2011 - 14:23
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What are they not clueless about? lol

Odd, the link works fine for me.

But what the CTers don't realize is, that with a movie, for instance, there's more than one person designing sets, etc.

They of course go on how this and that looks like "the eye" etc in 2001. Yet most of the stuff comes from concept art by other artists, not otherwise involved with Kubrick.

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anticultistPosted: Aug 07, 2011 - 14:36
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Kubrik was pretty picky about what went into his movies usually, i've seen a documentary or two and he takes over as much of the process as anyone possibly can.

Anyway yes, in part 2 of the YT video from your original link, the dude makes a claim that if you do a search for Bears and paedophile it turns up a thing called a paedo bear. This is actually something that was created and turned into a huge meme on 4chan message boards /b/...and it was an obnoxious socially distasteful joke about a bear who is a paedophile, theres hundreds of gags about it online. Its kinda meant to offend everyone, but also its got a dubious history as its related to child porn images on the same message board.

Anyway, the dude in the video makes the claim that paedophiles are called bears especially the hairy ones, he uses his claim that searching bear and paedophile in google proves it, then he goes on to string claims that teddy bears in kubricks movies represent this.

Its one of the worst sequences of thinking I have ever heard anyone loosely string together to try and make a point. Pure LOL at his pseudointellectual level.

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anticultistPosted: Aug 07, 2011 - 14:50
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I have to be honest I quite enjoy all this sort of CT stuff, the VC, hidden symbology stuff. It is sort like someone took the whole pop culture, mythology and sacred geometry beliefs mixed them all up with satanism, murder and porno culture and came up with a shiny new Conspiracy field.

It is the MTV version of Conspiracies, where all the kids who grew up watching tv and listening to pop music get an opportunity to use their dot joining abilities and come up new and interesting paranoid stories.

Sort of the modern horror stories to scare you, the new urban legends for the inebriated masses.

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GreedoPosted: Aug 07, 2011 - 14:56
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Haha, I knew what pedobear whas, I just meant Is there a thing they aren't clueless about ;)

Yeah, that's pretty fucking moronic. So much for research lol

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anticultistPosted: Aug 07, 2011 - 15:05
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Ah well my piss take of his claim is on the forum for anyone who can be arsed to read it anyways haha.

Yeah theres hundreds of variations on these CT's, there are so many that cross combine satanism, paedophile rings, saturnian cults, blavatsky, crowley and whatever else thats dark and sordid with popular culture. I see it all as a way to scare the shit out of people who are half clinging to the yin yang mindset, the right and wrong mentalities who fear the evil things that go bump in the night. Its sort of like a modern version of the devil and his power over humans and demonic posession, witchcraft etc...

People get really scared by it still even though its all pure legend and mythology, a lot of people have not shaken the fear of it off yet, so they still prescribe to the paranormal/superstitious and evil side of it all. This gives the inventor of the Conspiracy theory a lot of power because he only has to make slight suggestions of the possibility of the evil/satanic/superstitious aspect and peoples fear base kicks in, they then fill in the gaps and switch off their critical thinking.

See how easy it is to trick people with a simple bit of psychology they are unaware exists in their own minds :D

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Elm Nehmara Grand RapidsPosted: Aug 07, 2011 - 16:34
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anticultist, where is your piss take on the forums about this?

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anticultistPosted: Aug 07, 2011 - 16:45
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Oh hey No I was on about my laughing at the connection in this thread about the bear and paedophiles he made.

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duncanlecombrePosted: Aug 07, 2011 - 22:27
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GreedoPosted: Aug 08, 2011 - 04:53
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Hahaha, I'm laughing my ass off right now. Duncanlecombre, the CT site wich mentioned the wall, was a perfect copy and paste of the link to cracked, exept they left the "Why it's bullshit" out. God, these people are so fricking desperate lmao

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Vasper85Posted: Aug 08, 2011 - 23:32
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Matt tells me that bears are really big hairy gay men.

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GreedoPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 08:14
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Maybe you guys and gals that have been debunking CTs for longer than I know this

1. Where did the whole Kubrick-Illuminati thing start?

2. Where do CTers get the idea that the numbers 11 and 13 mean something to the "powers that be"/ Illuminati?

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Wolf BirdPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 08:18
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You know it's significant because of numerology!

11- 2 =9
13 - 2 = 11

So you get 9/11, which of course is the start of the NWO takeover! Tricky eh?

:P

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anticultistPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 08:42
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And the reason they subtract 2 is because there were two towers.....I suppose.

@Greedo
1. Not really sure its possible to attribute an origination point, other than to say some people have really over imaginative minds and are constantly on the look out for dots to join wherever they can. Call it an obsession, a compulsion, a mental illness or a hobby, either or all will do.

2.The numbers you mentioned I do not know why they are important to CT'rs but I am willing to bet they believe that it is related to some mysterious cult practice or ceremonial date that is of some relevance to satanic worship or something. Thats usually their reasoning for these numbers being important, even though these numbers do not seem to be particularly prevalant in everday life outside CT world.

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GreedoPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 08:47
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Hmm, maybe it has to do with the whole "Kubrick did the moon landing tapes!!1!"

I hate the whole "Illuminati hides symbolism/numbers/pink unicorns in movies/music videos, etc" -CT because it's so hard to debunk. I mean, what can you say when every once in a while I get a facebook message by some friend or whatever telling me how "OMG, theres Illuminati symbols all over (insert movie/music video) OMG weird"

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anticultistPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 08:54
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You can start with asking what Illuminatti symbols, then asking them to point to an Illuminatti official website/handout or organisation that has this symbol on the header.

surely that is sufficient enough to LOL at their naivete ?

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anticultistPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 09:08
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And when they come back with an image of the all seeing eye on the dollar and in artwork of popular culture everywhere, and then claim its a masonic symbol and therefore a bavarian illuminatti symbol, simply get yourself over here to tear them a new ass.

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/illuminatitexts.html</p>

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry02.html#eye_pyramid

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GreedoPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 10:54
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Haha, yeah, that's a way to handle it ;)

Look at this crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qja4N8TXaqY&feature=related

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anticultistPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 11:16
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He does some level of debunking in that video, enough to pose questions and prove that its not new world order related.

I wrote to that Rob Ager's channel a while back about his 2001 videos, and told him some shit he was oblivious about, he has yet to reply , but I feel he probably wont because I kind of schooled him on what the movie parts meant as I have watched it dozens of times, read the books, and watched interviews with kubrick and clarke.

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GreedoPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 11:32
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Yeah, that Bob Ager is quite an err... interesting character. Here's a little article on him

http://hubpages.com/hub/Rob-Ager-is-WRONG</p>

It seems to me that he is kind of like a Movie CTer without the Illuminati.
Still, it seems he doesn't really have a clue, and comes across quite paranoid.

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anticultistPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 11:42
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Thats quite the character assassination haha. Not sure how true it all is but if even half of it is he's not looking too good.

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GreedoPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 12:03
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Yeah... Have you seen his website? Or his "analyses"?

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anticultistPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 12:06
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Ive passed by his website, and watched some of his videos on movies, they're usually a load of bollocks. Sounds like someone who has lost the ability to read a book on the movie to assess exactly what its about, and instead uses large words and semi cohesive sentencing to discuss his opinion on the movie imagery rather than its actual story line.

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GreedoPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 13:06
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Lol yeah..

What I don't get is how the morons that be think that the Illuminati or what have ya can get so many people (in this case directors) to do something evil. Same applies for the general Illuminati/NWO -CT. See, these directors start out mostly as movie students, wanting to make great films, interested in filmmaking. And then some Illuminati guy comes up and says: "Oh well, you're gonna do the whole monarch thing to mind control everyone".

And the CTers are yet to tell us how the Illuminati recruit. I'd very much like to know that. How they could maintain a large number of members over 200 years, and keep recruiting without anyone going "Fuck you, I ain't doing that!" And since only influential people seem to be members, that makes it even more risky.

Why don't critical thinking skills grow on trees?

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anticultistPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 13:22
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It seems to be whats being discussed in a chapter of a book I am reading right now, he calls it the 'But it fits!" theory. In this chapter he discusses how no matter what evidence you pile up against their claims, they will create another reason that fits the claim to climb over your evidence.

The following is a short piece from the chapter:

http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2011/02/strange-case-of-dave.html</p>

It doesnt really matter how ludicrous their claim is and how much evidence that is logical to disprove the claims is given, the confirmation process that continues is anything that fits and allows them to maintain the illusion their claim is true.

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GreedoPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 13:30
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Funny, I was actually thinking of buying that book yesterday! Is it good?

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anticultistPosted: Aug 10, 2011 - 13:33
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Yeah so far its decent, I am only at page 79 of 255 so far though I only got it yesterday.

But its decently put together and useful for little nuggets of debating techniques people use.

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