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SkyPosted: May 05, 2010 - 16:20
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I was reading Acharya S' books The Christ Conspiracy and the Suns of God on google books and one of the gods she compared to Jesus and Horus was the Mexican god Quetzalcoatl. It seems that Quetzalcoatl was also born of a virgin, crucified, resurrected and all that. Wrap your head around that one, I guess the ancient Mesoamerican's had contact with the semites thousands of years before Columbus. Oh and also the Mexican tribes had Monasteries and Nunneries and high priests called "Papes" [The Christ conspiracy page 121] no doubt plagiarizing the Catholic religion before it existed.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: May 05, 2010 - 16:36
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She also claimed Krishna was crucified, but when called on it later, she said "well, what that means is he had a really terrible death." It's interesting how a Roman form of torture and execution made it's way to the far east and also to the New World.

There are *some* similarities between Quetzalcoatl and Jesus, but that's only if you highlight the similarities and forget about the big, massive differences. Both Mormons and Catholic Conquistadors tried to interpret Quetzalcoatl as being Jesus Christ in order to somehow say that Jesus let himself be witnessed all over the world. This was 1,500+ years after Jesus was said to have lived.

As for "Pope" it's from the Greek word "Papas" which means "father." There's a total linguistic history there; for someone who claims to speak Greek, this is yet another stupid mistake to make.

Major differences:
* Had a twin brother
* Invented books
* Invented the calendar
* Gave corn (maize to you Europeans) to humans
* Used blood from a cut on his penis to create a new race of people in the underworld
* Got drunk and was tricked into sleeping with either a priestess or his sister (depending on the story)
* Killed himself by setting himself on fire

Actual similarities:
* Virgin birth

If you highlight any few things, especially if you make them up or take liberty with the facts, you can make every religion seem the same.

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SkyPosted: May 07, 2010 - 02:26
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It seems the reason all these mythologies are the same is because they all originated from the lost continent Atlantis:

However, we utilize this list to demonstrate that the same concepts are found worldwide with and without cultural exchange, because they are derived from the same astrotheological observations. Also, we are in concurrence with the "ancient advanced civilization" theory ("Atlantis") that would allow for one or more centralized civilizations to have spread throughout the world during a very remote period in protohistory, thus taking with it the well-developed Mythos and Ritual, which would then mutate into the various forms found around the globe.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/footnote2.htm

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Edward L WinstonPosted: May 07, 2010 - 14:04
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Is this Kris?

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=99999&func=view&catid=230&id=251858&limit=10&limitstart=70#255530

He could have posted it here, but instead he posted it where he knows nobody will argue against him, likely because of pointing out problems with his arguments on these pages:

http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/topic-consp-sciencecom-a-case-study-in-intellectual-inhibition-s/page/4<br /> http://conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/topic-consp-sciencecom-a-case-study-in-intellectual-inhibition-s/page/5</p>

As for the post itself:

Oh noes, a typo on my site, better crucify me like Krishna.

This further illustrates their intellectual inhibition. Do you think that Edward knows how to speak and write in Greek? How about Ancient Greek? Do you think he has researched the primary sources that depict various different mythological gods throughout history? What about the secondary interpretations? Where do you think he finds his information?

I don't speak Greek or Ancient Greek, but neither does Acharya S. Why doesn't he apply these questions to Acharya S as well? You know he never will.

I've tried to point this out on the CS forum. The members of the forum, including Edward L. Winston, at often times resorted to derogatory attacks, instead of addressing major points being made. They also mostly responded with biased attacks on the Movement, which pushed me well beyond trying to reason with them.

Yeah right, I guess I called him mentally ill instead of addressing what he saying?

I've also noticed a few examples of him misinterpreting and misunderstanding the content he is trying to refute. He goes off on tangents, providing evidence for claims that have nothing to do with the original content, and in some cases, even fully supports the statements he is trying to refute.

Just like saying "logical fallacy!" as a canned response rather than actually responding.

What does this matter anyway, Acharya S believes in the idea that Atlantians spread around around the world and influenced everything. What's next, ancient aliens?

I've tried to point this out on the CS forum. The members of the forum, including Edward L. Winston, at often times resorted to derogatory attacks, instead of addressing major points being made. They also mostly responded with biased attacks on the Movement, which pushed me well beyond trying to reason with them.

Actually, what he means is towing the party line and everyone and everything that potentially disagrees with Acharya S is somehow an academic conspiracy against her; to question her means to automatically be wrong, period, and you can't question her unless you read everything she's ever written, and if you have the audacity to, you're being derogatory, or sexist, or homophobic, or the countless other things I've been called for disagreeing with her.

It's fairly obvious to me that she has a stick up her ass about Christianity, considering she claims that all of the world's religions originate from the "ancient advanced civilization" she compares Jesus to the gods/prophets/whatever of other religions, but not those other religions to each other to invalidate them.

Her followers are just that, followers, not students or anything else. They'll blindly believe what she says and say "well, I read this 300 page book by her, she seems to know what she's talking about" because apparently making things look accurate is just the same as actually being accurate.

They also love to use the argument that, in order to disagree with or question her, you have to read all of her work first. That's why she can make utterly retarded claims about Atlantis and her followers just bend over backwards defending her. Outside the Zeitgeist Movement, she's virtually unknown except to a cadre of true believers, and after the Zeitgeist Movement that'll be the case again. That's why I've really made no effort to talk about her work outside of the context of Zeitgeist, because it's totally irrelevant, she's more unknown and obscure than Ralph Rene.

Wait a second... Finally, I figured it out! Atlantians spoke English! That explains how God's Sun = God's Son even before Ancient Greek. Man, it's so obvious now. She's a genius!

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: May 10, 2010 - 22:43
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D.M. Murdoc actually pisses me off worse than the vast majority of people who believe her work without question. And trust me, I've been there (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_9ZyddjaM4). The really terrible thing is that she openly claims to be a serious scholar, and that she has hundreds of citations and credentials (all of which are shown to be complete bupkis). I mean, who cites an Angel Fire website in a "scholarly book!" Now, go and tell someone she is wrong and be ready to be called a Christian apologist who hasn't read her work, because if you had you'd be convinced by her half-assed argument about nothing.

Someone tried to argue that the son=sun thing does work in other languages by showing that
Sonne=Sohn in German
and Zon=zoon in Dutch
What they don't see is that only works for GERMANIC languages, of which English is a member

Spanish= Sol =/= Hijo
French= Soliel=/= Fils

Murdoc is slowly killing logical, well researched arguments. She is literally killing it with her own, ill wrought books.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: May 10, 2010 - 22:51
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I've brought up the Germanic language thing before in the past as well, it works a bit in some Slavic languages, it's fairly common in many Indo-European languages because of sound changes that happened -- more than likely the primary places you'll see similarities are in Western and Northern Germanic languages, and even then it's not universal. I'm sure she'd argue that Ancient Hebrew, Egyptian, and other Afro-Asiatic/Semitic languages are also Indo-European. Most importantly, it doesn't work in Greek, which is an Indo-European language, but she claims to speak Greek, interesting how that works out.

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