Skeptic Project

This term has been ringing in my head for some time now, their recruiting tool, films that have the same name of their movement, bares no resemblance to the movement, even though the film communicates the same message as the movement, they are not part of the same movement.

This logic is actually very scary, zeitgeisters are saying the foundations that it's movement is based on, is completely irrelevant to the actual movement.

Therefore, the whole movement is irrelevant to itself.

I haven't read their forums for some time now, mostly due to the fact that their ideologies are quite, well i'm putting this in the nicest way I can think of at the moment, are quite retarded. They mostly discuss political venues, rather than science, even though they say that science can save us all, none have any grasp on the realities of science, I believe they presume that it just happens, and it doesn't take years of research.

This hypocrisy has appeared many times before on their movements site, but it baffles me how they can keep a straight face with lies they feed themselves.

Just wondering what your take on this is?

IT'S NOT THE MOVEMENT!

BUT DON'T LET THAT STOP YOU FROM BUYING OUR DVD'S!

They believe that the first Z movie is still factually accurate and that the critics are just inflating some minor inconsistencies.

If they say "The movies aren't the movement", they do it for two reasons:

1) They don't know much about 9/11 or religion and debating experts on either side makes them look stupid.
2) They don't care about 9/11 anymore, but want you to swallow their RBE ideology.

"3) They realize how wrong they were about 9/11 and are attempting to distance themselves from it without admitting their wrongness."

They don't realize that at all. 911 is still a pretty consistent topic on TZM. Zeitards still defend the Acharya S stuff too.

I recall pretty recently PJ saying he still believes what he said in the first film regarding 9/11. If anything, he has learned how it gives them negative feedback, but he's also realized it works well to recruit people who are gullible.

"The movies aren't the movement" is an example of deceptive recruiting, which is one of the hallmarks of a cult (I'm using the Operation Clambake definition, http://www.xenu.net/cb-faq.html#faq18 and this falls under the "psychological coersion" point).

Obviously they use the movies, and especially the first film, to recruit their members. Try finding a Zeitgeister who doesn't support the first film or believe it's literal truth--it's very difficult. Compared to the recruiting power of the first film, the second and third films standing on their own have very little ability to draw in new members. "The movies aren't the movement" is a fig leaf to protect the cult against the people who claim it's a conspiracy movement, but the Zeitgeisters are pretty half-hearted about arguing it forcefully, since most of them can't deny that they are conspiracy theorists and were baited into the movement by the first film.

Rly? I'd expect a fairly even mix between commies and CTs. I personally got into TZM after watching Z2, recommendation from a friend (who also isn't a truther).

There aren't that many Communists left these days, and the ones that are have better things to do than dink around with the Zeitardians.

Out of literally dozens of Zeitgeist cultists I've argued with over the years, I can think of only three who are not Twoofers. Even the ones who claim "I don't believe in conspiracy theories" turn out to be Twoofers when you pick at them a little bit.

Being a non-Twoofer Zeitgeister is like being a SHARP (Skin Head Against Racial Prejudice). What's the fricking point?

Maybe so CJ, but I'll wager that if you asked them about 911 you'd hear the same LIHOP stuff that any Troofer parrots.

What really pisses me off the most about Twoofers is that the "agnostics", including Zeitards, will say that the middle ground is best.

There IS NO middle ground. The conventional facts about 9/11 are solid. To give equal consideration to alternative explanations is a failure of cognitive abilities on the "agnostic's" part.

This is apparently why my friend is extremely pissed at me for considering him a Twoofer even though he spouts the same "we can't know for certain" bullshit.

^ A lot.

Probably the banking stuff most of all. Zeitard dogma hinges on a really shitty understanding of how economics work.

CJ, I think you probably are an outlier.

There's no way to know for sure but I would be absolutely shocked if the percentage of Truthers in the ZM is less than 80%. It's probably higher--I wouldn't think 90% is unrealistic. We'll never know because they would never do a survey--the results would be too embarrassing and would provide people like us with statistical evidence that what we say is true, that TZM is overwhelmingly a congress of conspiracy theorists.

There are plenty of Truthers who hate Zeitgeist. Especially the ones who think Zeitgeist is a tool of the NWO. Surely, TeeZedem, you've encountered some of those? That doesn't mean that 80 to 90% of Zeitgeisters aren't also Truthers.

Do you (TeeZedem) deny that the vast majority of Zeitgeisters are Truthers? After all, I thought your new big crusade was to rid the world of Trutherism, except where you find it in the cult that you also happen to be a member of, and defend and support at every opportunity?

The first film is the entire reason the Zeitgeist Movement exists.

Think about it. If Z2 or the steaming pile known as Z:MF were released on their own, without the dubious "benefit" of the first film preceding them, how many people would have signed on to Zeitardianism? No more than the utopian wackos who have been swallowing Jacque Fresco's folderol since the 70s, before he hooked up with Merola.

It's easy to prove this empirically, because Z2 has had 90% fewer views than the first movie has had. (This is provable by TZM's own statistics). I haven't run the numbers on Z:MF, but since sequels typically do about half the business of their predecessors, I would imagine even fewer people are interested in Z:MF than were even persuaded to waste their time on Z2. Both numbers pale in comparison to the legions of tinfoil hatters who creamed their jeans over the first film.

I challenge TeeZedem (or any ZM cultist) to deny these statistics.

Meh, it's somewhat sad. I remember watching this spot:

http://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos/gute_nachricht/Forscher-entwerfen-Plan-einer-besseren-Welt-article1373396.html</p>

(Sloppy translation: "Scientists around the world have under "The Venus Project" developed a plan for a better world. Central point at this is a global social system in accord with nature of which every human would benefit. The restructuring of society could make resources common property and differences in origin and status would cease to be relevant.")

That sounds like something I'd be interested in, but then it turns out to be a movement of CTs promoting junk science. It's like getting the present you always wanted, only to find out later that it's just a turd stacked on top of another turd.