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EdPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:23
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Matt would probably argue that Ed likes to erect straw men that he can knock down himself without addressing actual points made.

Which is pretty typical for Ed.

I guess you'd know you're quite good at lying about what people think. Remember that time you claimed I was making some crazy claim about organic food? Oh hilarious wasn't it, pretending I was saying something irrational! hahahah!

PS: please point out the strawman and clarify yourself

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sorryPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:25
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Dunning went off on a tangent from his main argument (McDonalds isn't as unhealthy as you think) by suggesting that McDonalds is relatively quite nutritious. This part of his argument was not intended to prove a much different argument (McDonalds is healthy for you) but rather to supplement the main one.

It can get easily confusing because we're dealing with some very weak rationale. All we have to do is show how the Super Size Me guy ran a poorly designed study, and the game is over. These defenses for the nutrition in McDonalds food is unnecessary and makes the argument weaker (or at least no better) IMO.

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Caramel ColorPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:28
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hey sailor

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Who the hell eats more than one Big Mac at once? I can barely eat one.

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:29
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My record is 6.

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The Burger KingPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:32
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I can't stop posting pictures of poop, what the fuck is wrong with me?

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@Kaiser Falkner wow that is pretty amazing

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:33
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Didn't feel amazing for the rest of the day.

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domokatoPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:34
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Ya, if you can eat 5000 calories worth of McDonalds per day and not feel many ill effects besides getting fat and tired, I'd say it's "not so bad".

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EdPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:34
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McDonalds isn't as unhealthy as you think)

As I say this is only true or not based on how unhealthy you're accusing it to be.

by suggesting that McDonalds is relatively quite nutritious.

Which is stupid and disproved by his own article he wrote.

Its not nutritious the same way Fruit Loops are not nutrious. Yet Fruit Loops contains things like whole grain corn flour, its high in iron, high in vitamin A, high in vitamin B6, high in vitamin C, high in zinc, Calcium and also real fruit juice from concentrate. \

According to the Skeptoid article you would have to say that Fruit Loops are nutritionally rich!

Saying you can limit your intake doesn't relate to how healthy a food is. I can consume some fecal matter safely... but its not frickin healthy, the logic is stupid.

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sorryPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:36
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As I say this is only true or not based on how unhealthy you're accusing it to be.

I figure "unhealthy" is based on how the Super Size Me defined or implied it to be. The Skeptoid podcast did a good job of attacking his study's design.

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EdPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:36
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I'd say it's "not so bad".

I'd agree since you defined what you meant by that. But Matt had to claim I was totally wrong and had been disproved about saying it was unhealthy.

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Caramel ColorPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:37
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Uh, that is fairly nutritionally rich. Or does it only count to you if it's not artificially enriched?

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sorryPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:37
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And now, we have to define "nutritionally rich". A vitamin is extremely nutritious, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to swallow it. Likewise, water isn't very nutritious...

I'm defining "nutritionally rich" as "having an abundant amount of vitamins, minerals, and whatever else (amino acids, proteins, I don't know)."

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Agent MattPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:38
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Haha, Ed never ceases to be a fucking dumbass.

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EdPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:38
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I figure "unhealthy" is based on how the Super Size Me defined or implied it to be. The Skeptoid podcast did a good job of attacking his study's design.

Yes and that part was interesting, but the rest was pure junk. Actually saying their cheeseburger is nutritionally rich and quite a balanced meal just blows by mind

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:39
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You can poison yourself on Vitamins pretty easily- even water soluable ones.

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EdPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:39
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Haha, Ed never ceases to be a fucking dumbass.

Oh yea I guess I fell you you just being a troll and not really believing the words you write again, how stupid am I!

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sorryPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:40
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It's a balanced meal at a very, very low level. There are worse foods one could eat, such as a waffle with syrup or hot dog.

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Caramel ColorPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:40
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hey sailor

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So if I'm reading this correctly nutrition only counts if it's a "whole food"? Or if a meal contains every vitamin and mineral you need?

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:40
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You leave waffles out of this you slanderous wench!

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EdPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:41
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Uh, that is fairly nutritionally rich. Or does it only count to you if it's not artificially enriched?

The point is Fruit Loops is not a nutritious healthy food like the Skeptoid article is trying to argue. It is not a healthy choice.

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sorryPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:42
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lol Falkner

Ed, Skeptoid isn't saying Fruit Loops / Mcdonalds is a healthy choice. It's saying it's not an unhealthy choice.

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Caramel ColorPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:43
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You're the one who brought in fruit loops. The main argument I see against cereals like fruit loops is that they're high in sugar and don't have much fiber. Does that mean all the vitamins in it just don't count then?

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:44
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If you count nutrition by percentages of nutrients you need or are recommended to have in a day, froot loops arent that bad. You probably shouldn't over-do the sugar the rest of the day, but by itself you get a lot from fruit loops. You dont eat fruit loops (or McDonalds) and get nothing from it- you just also take a lot of stuff with it you dont really need a lot of. It just means you have to, you know, think about what else you are eating that day.

And Aaron, one more thing about waffles and so help me god...

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sorryPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:44
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Funny because I was just about to make another reference to waffles.

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EdPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:47
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It's a balanced meal at a very, very low level.

Thats reeeeally stretching the meaning of the word balanced.

There are worse foods one could eat, such as a waffle with syrup or hot dog.

Irrelevant, there are worse things we could eat than a waffle and a hot dog that doesn't mean a waffle and a hot dog aren't unhealthy.

He says cheese is good because its got calcium, well icecream also has calcium in it, does that mean ice cream is healthy?

That Skeptoid article is even more extreme that Matt's trollish argument. Matt said that he never claimed McDonalds was a healthy choice a page ago, yet that is literally what this guy says.

So if I'm reading this correctly nutrition only counts if it's a "whole food"? Or if a meal contains every vitamin and mineral you need?

Do you think it doesn't matter if you don't eat vegetables at all and think this is fine because you eat vitamin supplements?

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Kaiser FalknerPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:49
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What did I say about waffles?! Goddamnit people.

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EdPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:51
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Ed, Skeptoid isn't saying Fruit Loops / Mcdonalds is a healthy choice. It's saying it's not an unhealthy choice.

Aaron, when Skeptoid says :

"A hamburger is actually quite a balanced meal, rich with just about every nutrient. Add a slice of cheese and it even contains all four food groups. Fast food hamburgers are excellent sources of protein, calcium, and iron."

That is arguing that actually they are quite healthy actually, quite wel rounded and contains just about every nutrient.

He argues that then simultaneously admits that it is very high in salt and very high in sat fat and that eating only two will push you over the recommended safe levels. its quite remarkable how he did that. He is saying its healthy and admitting its unhealthy at the same time.

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sorryPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 13:56
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Thats reeeeally stretching the meaning of the word balanced.

Technically, no. Balanced simply means it incorporates a reasonable amount of each group, which a Big Mac does (has protein, carbs, and fat). The amount or integrity of those groups doesn't affect balance. Pragmatically, one could argue that a "balanced meal" insinuates a relatively high level of nutritional content, which a Big Mac does not have.

Irrelevant, there are worse things we could eat than a waffle and a hot dog that doesn't mean a waffle and a hot dog aren't unhealthy.

In order to determine whether something is health or not, we need a comparison. Dunning decided to argue that McDonalds isn't as unhealthy as some other choices. He is correct. Of course, this doesn't mean McDonalds is healthy; but Dunning didn't say that anyways. Again, though, it's a very weak argument.

He says cheese is good because its got calcium, well icecream also has calcium in it, does that mean ice cream is healthy?

Dunning didn't say cheese is healthy.

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sorryPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 14:00
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Aaron, when Skeptoid says :

"A hamburger is actually quite a balanced meal, rich with just about every nutrient. Add a slice of cheese and it even contains all four food groups. Fast food hamburgers are excellent sources of protein, calcium, and iron."

That is arguing that actually they are quite healthy actually, quite wel rounded and contains just about every nutrient.

He argues that then simultaneously admits that it is very high in salt and very high in sat fat and that eating only two will push you over the recommended safe levels. its quite remarkable how he did that. He is saying its healthy and admitting its unhealthy at the same time.

This is why I think Dunning's foolishly making an unnecessarily weak argument. There's no need to get into this business about a hamburger being "rich" in nutrients when he could simply stick to attacking Super Size Me's design.

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EdPosted: Jan 28, 2011 - 14:05
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Ed, Skeptoid isn't saying Fruit Loops / Mcdonalds is a healthy choice. It's saying it's not an unhealthy choice.

Aaron, when Skeptoid says :

..."A hamburger is actually quite a balanced meal, rich with just about every nutrient. Add a slice of cheese and it even contains all four food groups. Fast food hamburgers are excellent sources of protein, calcium, and iron."...

"actually quite a balanced meal"... "rich with just about every nutrient.".. "it even contains all four food groups"

This is absolutely koo koo crazy as far as I'm concerned.

He doesn't clarify whether he is referring to a McDonalds hamburger or one that is made at home with real cheese and extra lean meat, but if somehow he wasn't talking about McDonalds it would be a non-argument anyway since he would be trying to show McDonalds isn't that unhealthy by comparing it to a version made with very different ingredients.

He argues that, then simultaneously admits that it is very high in salt and very high in saturated fat and that eating only two will push you over the recommended safe levels but still somehow not realise he just admitted how unhealthy they were. Its quite remarkable how he manages to type such contradictory stuff He is saying its healthy and admitting its unhealthy at the same time.

Oh and Fruit Loops is not healthy, sure it has some good stuff in it but its also got stuff in it thats not good for you. To evaluate a food you look at how good it is vs how bad it is and as a whole see how healthy it really is. Fruit loops also contain very high levels of sugar and is very high in calories so while it may contain all those vitamins its still a bad choice to give to kids for breakfast, but of course if the choice is between a doughnuts and Fruit Loops we might be able to say that Fruit Loops is a healthier choice, but that is really not saying much.

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