Skeptic Project

I sometimes hear truthers (Alex Jones included) talking about how the Nazis supposedly blamed the communists for burning down the Reichstag, when it was in fact the Nazis themselves, using it as an excuse to persecute communists and other political parties in Nazi Germany. This is supposed to justify belief in 9/11 conspiracies.

Did this actually happen or is it just more bullshit? I've seen conflicting articles on the subject.

Argonessen is right.

An actually true example of a real "false flag" is very tough to find. The Gliewitz radio station attack in Poland in 1939 is the only one I can think of, but it almost doesn't count because absolutely no one believed it.

CT's love to claim the Reichstag fire, Gulf of Tonkin and Operation Northwoods as false flags. None of them actually were. But CT'ers get history as wrong as they do everything else, so why should this be any different?

The Reichstag Fire is just an example of getting lucky in order to push an agenda, nothing more. Spindoctors like Alex Jones like to claim said Dutch communist was "mentally retarded" and "blind" but neither are true.

I find it also funny how Alex Jones always brings up the PATRIOT Act and compares it to the Reichstag Fire Decree (which he incorrectly calls the Enabling Act, which is something different). The idea you could compare a bill that adds a lot of gray area in order to fight terrorism, to a bill that suspended freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of due process, etc. is just completely asinine and shows what a total liar, or moron, you really are.

Like the morons that keep commenting on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Pqp-b7dwY /> (Please 'like' the video just to piss these people off)

The Mancurian incident was fairly effective. In this case you had a population that was never really given a chance to question the motives (small democracy movements that had some tiny success during the Taisho democracy movement were held in check) and an emperor that was more than happy to cave to military fanaticism (since it was done in his name anyway).

"It takes a lot of blind faith in order to believe in people like Alex Jones"

I sometimes use the argument that we know a terrorist shot up Fort Hood, we know a terrorist from Nigeria was the Christmas Day bomber, we know that a terrorist tried to blow up a Christmas tree in Oregon over the holidays. So why is 9/11 any different?

"Those other guys were under mind control! Read about MK-Ultra!"

Shit like that makes ME want to strap a bomb to my chest.

The mentioned false-flag attacks above still pale in comparison to major things like 9/11 or even small things like the IRS-building attack. The idea you can compare simply firing at made up enemies and it starting a war to a complex series of secret events involving hundreds of people is simply stupid. It's one thing to say "hey, they shot at us, *bang, bang, bang*" and another to fake phone calls from airplanes, setup thermite, etc. all without anyone noticing or ever saying anything.

False-flag now is just a way to say everything bad that happens in the world is a part of some vast conspiracy; it's really no different than when people say "God did it!" it surrenders thinking for yourself in the name of an ideology. I imagine if the NWO didn't exist, nothing bad would ever happen. Bill Cooper would still be alive, we'd all have tons of gold, and Alex Jones wouldn't be fat.