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I am going to go a little old school on you guys. Let’s see if you guys can keep up.
1) In a attempt to recreate the shot that killed JFK they brought in the best sniper in the Marine Corp. to recreate it. He could not do it. So how did LHO, a man who hadn’t fired a gun since basic, could do what the best sniper in the Marine Corp. couldn’t?
2) What about the magic bullet?

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"I am going to go a little old school on you guys. Let’s see if you guys can keep up."

Most of the people who school you constantly are older than you are, chump.

If you're even as old as you claim to be.

No substantive comment, eh, Truther?

Days since Truth is Real has responded: 3 and counting.

Here you go Muertos.
http://www.ctka.net/pr1199-ventura.html<br /> P.S. Jessie Vantura was on that one lady that used to be a the Veiw show. And he said that their was no way that Oswald could of made that shot. It would of reqired three shooters. Oswald who got JFK, a sniper at the AT bulding who missed and findily one in the grassie know that killed him.

Muertos here is a transscript of that show. You will need to scroll down; but their it is.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/10/joy.01.html<br /> To make it easier for you:
BEHAR: I want to turn now to the former governor of Minnesota and ex navy S.E.A.L., a legendary pro wrestler and the author of "American Conspiracies: Lies, Lies and More Dirty Lies That The Government Tells Us." joining me now with his take on Eric Massa is Jesse Ventura. Hey Jesse.

JESSE VENTURA, AUTHOR, "AMERICAN CONSPIRACIES": Well I guess my first question would be this, having been in the navy, how do you -

BEHAR: Yes.

VENTURA: Was he on an aircraft carrier?

BEHAR: I don`t know.

VENTURA: That could be a way to find out because he said he served with 10,000 navy men.

BEHAR: Yes.

VENTURA: Well the only place you`re going to see 6,000 guys at one time is on an aircraft carrier.

BEHAR: And why would he say -- ask 10,000 sailors, how would they know anything any way?

VENTURA: Well probably because its well known when youre deployed overseas, and I`m of course speaking pre-marriage for me.

BEHAR: Yes.

VENTURA: Womanizing becomes very important when youre deployed in these different ports. Thats what you do.

BEHAR: Oh you devil, you.

VENTURA: But then again, Im not from the Blue Water Navy, Im from the Brown Water Navy.

BEHAR: The Brown Water Navy?

VENTURA: That`s the slang term they call for the navy S.E.A.L.S and the river guys and all that. We are in the Brown Water -

BEHAR: So less tickling in the Brown, a little more tickling in the Blue?

VENTURA: I would say there`s way more tickling in the Blue.

BEHAR: In the Blue.

(LAUGHTER)

BEHAR: Now, this guy, you know, he originally says -- first it was cancer, then he said the Democrats ran him out of congress. Youre a conspiracy theorist. That sounds like a conspiracy theory, doesnt it?

VENTURA: Well, I dont know. Obviously as you said, Joy, this guy has some real problems. I dont know. I cant answer that. I dont know.

BEHAR: You don`t know. Something is going on. These are two headlines from this week. Congressman admits tickle fight and no back wax for Rubio, which is this GOP guy, Marko Rubio, accused of using the RNC money to get a back wax. What is going on?

VENTURA: Well first of all, and Im going to shock you with this. Most elected officials I think are underpaid. And thats one of the reasons why they stoop to this stuff of making money on the side and all this.

BEHAR: Yes.

VENTURA: Like when I was governor, I got paid $120,000 a year. Okay, they made me pay for every meal that my family had in the governor`s residence it was deducted from my check, plus mileage vehicle going to and from the capital. You deduct taxes. I was the governor of the State of Minnesota and I was making $60,000 a year. But I was above --

BEHAR: Before taxes?

VENTURA: After.

BEHAR: After.

VENTURA: After. $120,000 to start with -

BEHAR: So 60

VENTURA: But I probably made $60,000 at the end.

BEHAR: Yes.

VENTURA: Well that`s why I did those other jobs on the side on the weekend. Remember, I refereed and got them all upset one night with the WWE.

BEHAR: Yes, they didn`t want you to do that.

VENTURA: Yes and I worked for the XFL on the weekend also. But my point being, and I took heat for that, but the thing was in my four years as governor, the capital was never opened on the weekend.

BEHAR: Yes. I see.

VENTURA: And yet I had a ranch where I bailed high for $3 a bail and no one complained about that.

BEHAR: No, they did not. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) Stay right there.

VENTURA: Sure.

BEHAR: When we come back, I want to get your take on Rush Limbaugh`s latest travel plans.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BEHAR: Back with me is the always outspoken Jesse Ventura. Let`s talk Limbaugh, Rush that is. This whole Massa controversy gave him an excuse to make a racial slur against New York Governor David Paterson. Not that Rush needs an excuse to make a racial slur. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RUSH LIMBAUGH: So David Paterson will become the Massa, whoever gets to appoint, whoever gets to take Massas place. So for the first time in his life, Patersons going to be a Massa.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BEHAR: So does the satire defense work here? Because you know when Sarah Palin went after him - when he used, said retarded, she gave him a pass at first because she said well, he`s a satirist.

VENTURA: Right.

BEHAR: Is this satire?

VENTURA: Well its definitely entertainment. Its not news.

BEHAR: No it`s not news.

VENTURA: None of these shows -

BEHAR: But he`s not taken seriously as a news person, in many quarters of the country.

VENTURA: Not my me.

BEHAR: Not by me either but a lot of people do.

VENTURA: Sure. Is it satire? I dont know. But he certainly has the ability, and I dont subject him to anything bad because he does satire. Now what was racial about that?

BEHAR: Well, I guess to call David Paterson, Massa, because he`s a black guy.

VENTURA: Yes.

BEHAR: Well because he referred to Barack once as Barack the magic Negro. It`s like at least the most insensitive and thoughtless --

VENTURA: Yes but what does Massa mean? It means that guy.

BEHAR: No but yes, but he`s doing a play on words on like Massa - master from "Gone With The Wind".

VENTURA: Okay it must be flying over my head there. Youre getting it and Im not.

BEHAR: Okay, all right. I mean Imus, you know Imus -

VENTURA: Sure.

BEHAR: He made a comment, called these girls nappy headed hoes -

VENTURA: Yes. Yes.

BEHAR: And he got thrown off the air. But Rush Limbaugh gets a pass, he`s still on the radio, no matter what he says.

VENTURA: Oh sure.

BEHAR: So, I`m for free speech.

VENTURA: Hey, it all comes down to money.

BEHAR: Uh huh, that`s true, he makes a lot of money.

VENTURA: Absolutely, he brings in ratings. So he`s going to get a pass when it comes down to money.

BEHAR: Yes unfortunately that`s the truth of the business. Karl Rove, you like him?

VENTURA: I respect him for what he can accomplish. Do I like him? I cant really say I like him because I dont really know him.

BEHAR: Well he says in his new book that Bush didn`t deliberately lie about WMDS. Do you buy that?

VENTURA: No, I don`t buy that.

BEHAR: You think Bush deliberately lied and Cheney the whole administration?

VENTURA: Yes, yes, because they clearly wanted to go to war in Iraq. We saw that from all the testimony after 9/11, a day later they were already talking about Iraq. Actually it was when Bush announced that we were going to go into Iraq, thats when I started to question 9/11. I didnt question it before that. But when he announced we were going into Iraq, I sat back and went wait a minute, there wasn`t one of these supposed hijackers that was from Iraq. Why are we going into Iraq?

BEHAR: No, that`s true, it was Saudi Arabia.

VENTURA: Yes, I felt going that going into Iraq was equivalent to Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked us. Well then let`s go get the Koreans after all, they are Asian too.

BEHAR: Uh huh.

VENTURA: You know, that to me is how I read it. And felt what does Iraq got to do with this?

BEHAR: But in your book, "American Conspiracies"

VENTURA: Sure.

BEHAR: You mentioned that - I mean, you tell it to me, what you say about 9/11 and the Bush Administration.

VENTURA: Well here`s the deal. When they had the 9/11 commission, Zelekow from the White House ran it. Now how do you get an investigation?

BEHAR: Yes.

VENTURA: And here`s the biggest part, let me hit this first. White Water, they spent $100 million to learn Bill Clinton cheated on his wife, 100 million. You know what they first allocated to investigate 9/11, which was stone walled for two years? $4 million. It ended up $13 million. 3,000 people die and they allow $4 million to investigate it? Yet White Water, $100 million to learn the president cheated?

BEHAR: Well White Water was a real estate thing.

VENTURA: Yes but what did they learn? Nothing.

BEHAR: They learned nothing.

VENTURA: The only thing ultimately they learned is the president cheated on his wife.

BEHAR: Okay so what do you make of that?

VENTURA: Well I make of it that they never, ever had any serious intentions for an investigation of 9/11. You cant spend that little amount of money and get a true investigation. I mean you got Zelekow running the whole thing. Well what he did, he didnt allow any information that didn`t point to what they wanted for them people to hear and see. Just like the Warren Commission.

BEHAR: Okay now you were saying either this morning or I read it or whatever that you think that the Bush Administration --

VENTURA: Knew.

BEHAR: Knew that they were going to attack the World Trade Center.

VENTURA: Well if you look, they never saw any MSA documents. They were withheld because of Zelekow. Weve got the MSA documents through discovery. And the MSA documents state clearly as early as May that this threat was there. It ramped up in July to where they actually thought it was going to happen and it didnt. And then ultimately it happened in September.

BEHAR: Well it was a memo. It was a memo.

VENTURA: Well yes, the August 6th memo.

BEHAR: That`s right.

VENTURA: Well theres more than just that one. Theres a bunch from the MSA. Richard Clarke was from the MSA. And you got the August sixth memo and Condoleezza Rice sit there is in front of the 9/11 commission and says, we had no idea they were going to take planes and ram them into buildings. Well, that`s exactly what the memo said.

BEHAR: I know.

VENTURA: How could you not have an idea?

BEHAR: Well what they would respond to that is, you know, there were a lot of memos coming by. Were not going to pay attention to some unsolicited memo. Thats what they said - I`m on the same page with you.

VENTURA: No, when there is the threat, this country is going to be attacked -

BEHAR: Right.

VENTURA: And everybody -- what was Condoleezza shopping, I think, George Bush was on vacation and all this going on. Well to me, thats not taking protection of the nation very seriously. And plus, if they knew all this stuff, why werent they preparing for it? And here`s the other key. I come from the navy S.E.A.L.S where failure is not an option. I think air defense is the same way. We can all agree it was a major failure that day of our air defense system. Why was no one fired or demoted? Yet people were promoted.

BEHAR: Really?

VENTURA: Yes.

BEHAR: =I didn`t know that.

VENTURA: Nobody was fired. You dont fire anyone if you dont want an investigation. If you start firing people, people are going to start talking saying why am I fired?

BEHAR: Yes, yes.

VENTURA: This is what I did, bla, bla, bla and theyre going to start talking. If you dont want an investigation, let business go on as usual Monday morning.

BEHAR: But, okay, but Jesse, you`re not saying that the -- what I understood this morning, that the Bush Administration was behind the attack?

VENTURA: I don`t know that.

BEHAR: But what do you say about that?

VENTURA: I say that they certainly knew it was going to come. They did nothing to protect us. And they may have enjoyed it because they had an agenda.

BEHAR: Enjoyed killing 3,000 people?

VENTURA: Because they wanted to go to Iraq. No, they enjoyed the fact that they would be able to carry forth their agenda. Let`s remember as I said earlier, you know, the Golf of Tonkin incident they now admitted it never happened. Well, 58,000 of us died after that little lie.

BEHAR: Yes. Well Robert McNamara -

VENTURA: 58,000 is a lot more than 3,000.

BEHAR: The truth came out with Robert McNamara many years to wait 30 or 40 years?

VENTURA: But how many years - well do we wait 40 or 50 years?

BEHAR: We`ll all be dead then when it comes out.

VENTURA: Not if I keep working.

(LAUGHTER)

BEHAR: Okay. I`m not done with you yet. More with Jesse Ventura in a minute. Stay there.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BEHAR: I`m back with Jesse Ventura. You know you talk about the lone up theory in the book.

VENTURA: Yes.

BEHAR: And its interesting to me because all of the ass sins in my lifetime have been alone in their assassinations. VENTURA: Yes and that doesnt seem peculiar.

BEHAR: It is a little peculiar.

VENTURA: Very peculiar. They never spoke to anyone. They never planned anything with anyone.

BEHAR: Uh huh.

VENTURA: I mean who killed Martin Luther King? Robert Kennedy? John Kennedy. John Lennon? All of them. And here`s another interesting point.

BEHAR: Yes.

VENTURA: In all of these assassinations, there was never, ever a trial for any one of them.

BEHAR: That`s interesting.

VENTURA: Now why wouldn`t there be a trial? Because in trials, facts come out. Witnesses are deposed. And that can lead you --

BEHAR: How can they get away with that?

VENTURA: because they set it up that way. Well it was easy with Oswald, they killed him two days later. With Jack Ruby.

BEHAR: Yes, what do you think -- I remember watching that when I was a kid, I wasn`t that much of a kid but still, they always say where were you with the Kennedy assassination. Everybody knows how old you are so I always say I was in utero. But --

VENTURA: I can tell you honestly, Joy, I was in seventh grade - when it happen.

BEHAR: Okay, well when it happened I remember thinking isn`t that odd that now Jack Ruby kills Oswald. So that puts the clamps on all that information. And then Jack Ruby got cancer and died in jail. The whole thing was suspicious to me.

VENTURA: Absolutely.

BEHAR: Yes.

VENTURA: It should have been suspicious to you. Its ridiculous. The key -- Ill tell what you the key is to the Kennedy thing. You have the three bullets, okay? You got the head shot, the magic bullet and the miss. Everyone investigates the head shot and magic bullet. The key is the miss. Because you got to -- with a two second two shots with the hit. So you got to assume the first shot was a near miss. And it struck the curb and injured that Mr. Teague.

BEHAR: Yes.

VENTURA: Okay if you go from where it struck the curb straight back to Kennedy`s limo and a straight line it goes to the second floor of the DOW Text building. If you take it in a straight line up to the Oswald thing he missed by 22 feet high and 33 feet wide.

BEHAR: So what are you saying there were two of them in the building? What are you saying?

VENTURA: No I`m saying there were snipers in the DOW Text building.

BEHAR: Yes.

VENTURA: There was Oswald`s sniper and there was the grassy knoll for the head shot.

BEHAR: Oh boy.

VENTURA: I believe there were three shooter teams.

BEHAR: The other things that interesting you is say all the assassins have a first, middle and last name.

BEHAR: Like Lee Harvey Oswald -

VENTURA: Yes, they teach us that, Lee Harvey Oswald, Mark David Chapman, James Earl Ray.

BEHAR: Kathie Lee Gifford.

VENTURA: Not quite. But, yet, if I looked at you, Joy --

BEHAR: Im just kidding. The camera. Im just kidding, Kathy.

(LAUGHTER)

VENTURA: Anyway if you look at the situation of learning the three names.

BEHAR: Yes.

VENTURA: Okay, the most notorious murderer in U.S. history is Charles Manson. What`s his middle name?

BEHAR: I dont know. But he wasnt --

VENTURA: Exactly yet - yet you know the middle names - that`s the psychologically put it into your head.

BEHAR: Uh huh.

VENTURA: That this is it.

BEHAR: John Wilkes Booth.

VENTURA: John Wilkes Booth.

BEHAR: See that one we know. Somebody else was there.

VENTURA: Yes.

BEHAR: But that one -- see it took all those years for people to come to that conclusion.

VENTURA: Yes.

BEHAR: Or for people to expose that fact.

VENTURA: And it still it`s not being exposed. Because my nephew was 15 and I asked him what he knew about the assassination of Abraham Lincoln? He knew only John Wilkes Booth, nobody told him that there were eight people convicted, 12 people put to death, including the first woman.

BEHAR: Exactly. Who know about all that stuff about Lincoln? He might have even been gay, Lincoln.

VENTURA: You think so?

BEHAR: Thank you so much for joining us. The book is called --

VENTURA: How do you know all that, Joy?

BEHAR: Because you`re not the only one that knows all this stuff.

VENTURA: You know you`re a conspiracy theorist.

BEHAR: I am a little bit on your page. Okay the book is called "American Conspiracies." buy it. Good night, everybody.

Jessie Vantura is a former Navy SEAL. You know speicle forces. He would know how to do an ambush; thous would have great crediblity in something like the JFK assinaion.
Jessie Vantura's experiance:
Knowlage of firearms: checked
Explosive Dimoliolian: checked
Knowlage of Specal Ops.: checked
Plus he has talked to Fedil Castro when he was govener; who told him things about the JFK assinaion.

You know Matt something I noticed is that you will always go after the conspiracy thoarist; but never the conspiracy thoarys themselve. I at least have read about the thoarys and came to a informed concusion. Unlike you.

Because he is ashamed of his military searvices.

Truth is Real is a caricature of a truther, its amazing :D

One of the big parts in JFK is the part in witch there where people on the starway. That has been one of the biggest argument is how did he git down from the top floor down to the breack room without being seen?

What are some good books on JFK and 9/11. Or peer reviewed papers.

Even the one Jim Marrs made up about JFK wanting to end the FRS? Even though the suggested evidence points to the exact opposite actually happening?